Speeding Porsche with no plates involved in horror N11 crash

[Stalker]

And AARTO is going to prevent this how?

 

[The Voice]

And AARTO is going to prevent this how?

Don't have to pay fines or surrender your license if you're dead.

 

[The Voice]

Most die of the smoke inhalation.

True. Apparently most of your nerve endings are burnt off in seconds, so you probably die of shock and/or smoke inhalation before the fire does the rest.

 

[supersunbird]

Say what? It's a extremely well-engineered car, but it is not idiot-proof.

Well, it's the argument often used by the "we must be allowed to drive any speed we want" people, that "the cars are built for it and can handle it", they never seems to think about the fact that its the people that can't handle it. Obviously they thin k they themselves can handle it, just like this Porsche driver probably did.

 

[TheChamp]

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Speeding Porsche with no plates involved in horror N11 crash

Preliminary reports reveal that a Porsche with no number plates was allegedly speeding when it collided with a Toyota Fortuner on the N11, resulting in eight deaths.

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The burning vehicles outline does not look like a Porsche (not even a Panamera, since it was carrying 4) to me.

Anyway, how was the Porsche in an accident even? It's most designed to travel at high speeds, nè speeding-is-not-a-bad-thing supporters.

Could be the earlier Porsche Cayenne.

 

[supersunbird]

which isn't extreme speed, the Fortuner can reach that as well, no Porsche level performance required

It is extreme speeding, you just don't think it is, but it is.

 

[supersunbird]

*sigh* ... the point is you are quick to assume the Porsche was speeding, it could as easily have been the Fortuner speeding, or perhaps both of them were speeding along in the 160km/h range

Any of those scenarios could cause the damage in the pics, but for some reason you:
a) assume it must have been the Porsche speeding
b) believe it must have been "extremely high" speed

Who was on the wrong side of the road (maybe not able to perhaps keep in their lane due to speeding on a turn, or else overtaking at night, where it shouldn't)? If I analyse the pictures I think it the Porsche that was on the wrong side.

 

[Urist]

simple case of a fcknut with a car that is too fast for him, no doubt alcohol involved as well.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

It is extreme speeding, you just don't think it is, but it is.

Indeed, I don't think it is, but none of us actually know what speed both vehicles were travelling at, so calling something that is a complete unknown "extreme" is what I take issue with most.

If I analyse the pictures I think it the Porsche that was on the wrong side.

Very difficult to determine with only some close up pics of each car, I've personally been involved in a ~100km/h accident (passenger in the backseat fwiw) on a dual carriageway where we most definitely were not on the wrong side of the road, nor travelling in the wrong direction.

Traction was lost, multiple rolls across the 5m wide division later and we came to a stop on the wrong side of the road, facing the direction that traffic on that side normally should be.

 

[krycor]

And AARTO is going to prevent this how?

Well if you think reckless drivers are instantaneously reckless the one time they get into massive accidents like this.. then no, not gonna change a thing.

But the reality is most do other lesser things like jump robots/stop signs (why is the penalty points so low for this), speed regularly (just not as much), etc which is hoped it will be picked up and lead to them being off the road as a result.

Basically the anecdotal worldwide law of enforcement view.. the more quickly you dish out fines for smaller incidences, the lesser bigger incidences you will find. Not because the guys can’t commit such offenses on the back road where no one sees but that the culture or habit is broken.

It’s kinda why I’m all for infraction fines being handed out like sweets.. heck if I was JMPD, I’d be sticking up cameras on most intersections(how many people park in intersections), popular taxi pick up points on road etc because the fast we start enforcing laws the better.

 

[Blu82]

For some damage reference this is 500mph.

 

[thestaggy]

People forget that NCAP crash tests are done at a maximun speed of 64 km/h and those cars are wrecked after that.

Any accident in excess of that speed is going to be bad. 100 km/h+ is going to be a disaster scene regardless of the cars involved. And especially so if it is a head-on collision. Not even your high end German luxury vehicles are guaranteed to save you above 64 km/h.

 

[Lupus]

Indeed, two cars traveling at even a 100kmh and hitting head on will destroy them both completely

Well yes considering that most crash tests are done at 60 km/h. Cars aren't designed to take speeds much past that.

 

[pinball wizard]

simple case of a fcknut with a car that is too fast for him, no doubt alcohol involved as well.

So, pretty much any south african driver with their inflated opinion of their own skill, and pretty much any car?

 

[Lupus]

Physics 101- head on collision will have the same effect if both cars are travelling at 96km/h, in this case cayenne was speeding so we assume 120+ km/h, the damage from the impact will be much higher than showed in the barrier video

Actually physics 101 - two cars hitting each other at 96km/h isn't doubled, the amount of force is still the same if the car was doing 96km/h and hitting a wall vs hitting the car.

 

[OCP]

I don't recall the exact physics buried 2 cars have a head on and both are driving at 50km/h then for all intend and purposes the crash speed for both would be 100km/h?

If so, then between the Porsche and the Fortuner the combined crash speed could have easily been over 300km/h which would explain the devestating damage.

 

[pinball wizard]

Being burnt alive is probably the worst way to go.

I will say that the smell of burning humans is pretty grotesque. If you ever have the opportunity to smell them, turn it down.

 

[pinball wizard]

193kph

The speed at which I had my accident in my Corsa. Luckily still here.

Well. Who knew. Corsa's are better engineered than porches and toy-otas.

Bonus points if it was the old bubble shape corsa lite style jobbie.

 

[OCP]

Actually physics 101 - two cars hitting each other at 96km/h isn't doubled, the amount of force is still the same if the car was doing 96km/h and hitting a wall vs hitting the car.

Surely the kinetic energy from the other car must add to the equation or is this weight based?

 

[nightjar]

extreme speed isn't required for that kind of damage

The narrator in this video has it wrong.
At about 1 minute he talks about the car crashing into the concrete at 120 mph and then goes on to equate that to two cars colliding head-on while each is travelling at 120 mph which is a closing speed of 240 mph.