Speeding Porsche with no plates involved in horror N11 crash

[DMNknight]

If they made cars more solid/rigid, then more people will die from things like torn arteries and things happening to their brain and neck at lower crash speeds than currently. Crumple zones slow down the impacts severity on the vehicle occupants, so less forces act on their bodies.

Why do the motorbike helmets have so much padding inside? Why not have the outside not flush to the skull?

A good helmet makes you look like your cheek bones are trying to marry your eye sockets.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I have already been Peer reviewed and have been found to exceed required expectations. No need to prove it.

What I thought. And peer reviewed? You're being peer reviewed every day mate

 

[DMNknight]

Look at how solid a formula 1 car is. Nothing crumbles.

Aahahahahaha you're very funny... or stupid.

Alonso walked away from that wreck due to brilliant engineering.


This is where he crawled out of to walk from:


Nothing crumbles your backside man.

 

[Suspect99]

Uhm go count again.

Dude that's literally one of the first questions they ask you in physics 101

 

[rietrot]

Aahahahahaha you're very funny... or stupid.

Alonso walked away from that wreck due to brilliant engineering.
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This is where he crawled out of to walk from:
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Nothing crumbles your backside man.

Geez dude. Are you even serious?

The carbon fibre wings and the wheels break off easily. They body is structurally solid. Nothing crumbled there.

I agree it's brilliant engineering. It makes my point.

 

[krycor]

Who gets to decide: someone who's qualified in it, which it seems wasn't done for most roads.
My point was that a blanket statement of speed = reckless driving, it's not, my point is that circumstances dictate speed.

E.g. in the US, in order to slow people down in suburbia, you just create small outcroppings from the side that narrow the road, people will not feel comfortable driving as fast and slowing down.

Doing 140kmph on the N2/major highway is perfectly fine most of the time if traffic is clear, good visibility and your car can easily manage it.

Going 140kmph if any one of those factors are not there is reckless driving, e.g. old car or bad visibility or traffic/multiple cars or road conditions not good or you don't know the roads, etc.

If it was comfort level or risk assessment then I guess people don’t have any in SA. The number of stupid people I see on the road with entire family in the SUV has always surprised me.

People in SA are comfy doing an overtake maneuver with on coming vehicles over solid barriers over a blind hill/bend and then when they get thru it unscathed it just resets their threshold for risk till one day, as stats dictates, their luck has run out.

Anyway my point is simple, the avg road user in SA have zero self preservation instinct and ironically it seems like the more costly the vehicle the greater the chance the person is a complete idiot. Kinda like fraud & corruption it in SA, it transcends race & culture.

 

[Willie Trombone]

This isn't my ideas. Look at any real motor sport that's concerned with safety at high speed. They have solid rollcages.

Like Formula 1 perhaps?

Nine drivers and six spectators died in Formula 1 Grand Prix events between 1970 and 1979, prompting new safety regulations that defined seatbelts, crumple zones and a near-indestructible core called the monocoque.

Formula 1: Engineering safety at 200mph

There have been a lot of advances in Formula 1 cars since the 1970s. Driver safety has been the big winner.

www.allianz.com.au

How about https://jalopnik.com/caparo-t1-adopts-f1-style-crumple-zone-333457

 

[DMNknight]

Geez dude. Are you even serious?

The carbon fibre wings and the wheels break off easily. They body is structurally solid. Nothing crumbled there.

wait you mean all the crumbling gear around the driver cage to slow down the vehicle while deflecting kinetic energy away from the cage?

[while taking into account that Carbon Fibre is 3.4x stronger than steel, therefore being able to absorb a lot more kinetic energy]

 

[Willie Trombone]

If it was comfort level or risk assessment then I guess people don’t have any in SA. The number of stupid people I see on the road with entire family in the SUV has always surprised me.

People in SA are comfy doing an overtake maneuver with on coming vehicles over solid barriers over a blind hill/bend and then when they get thru it unscathed it just resets their threshold for risk till one day, as stats dictates, their luck has run out.

Anyway my point is simple, the avg road user in SA have zero self preservation instinct and ironically it seems like the more costly the vehicle the greater the chance the person is a complete idiot. Kinda like fraud & corruption it in SA, it transcends race & culture.

+1 And SA is by far not the worst. Ethiopia is crazy. People have no concept of speed and consequences. 120 on a road with goats every now and then, people overtaking on blind rises, etc. Their death toll is pretty high. Yes, speed is a major factor.

 

[dlk001]

Anyway my point is simple, the avg road user in SA have zero self preservation instinct and ironically it seems like the more costly the vehicle the greater the chance the person is a complete idiot. Kinda like fraud & corruption it in SA, it transcends race & culture.

I couldn't agree more

 

[DMNknight]

+1 And SA is by far not the worst. Ethiopia is crazy. People have no concept of speed and consequences. 120 on a road with goats every now and then, people overtaking on blind rises, etc. Their death toll is pretty high. Yes, speed is a major factor.

Speed is only a factor in that it determines the amount of kinetic energy that needs to be expended when meeting an object going slower than itself. (or negative speed when taking into account going in different directions)
What actually kills is the result of the kinetic energy differential and its effects on the human body once all energy has been expended.

 

[dlk001]

+1 And SA is by far not the worst. Ethiopia is crazy. People have no concept of speed and consequences. 120 on a road with goats every now and then, people overtaking on blind rises, etc. Their death toll is pretty high. Yes, speed is a major factor.

People have no concept of Risk and speeding on SA roads in particular increases the Risk.

 

[rietrot]

wait you mean all the crumbling gear around the driver cage to slow down the vehicle while deflecting kinetic energy away from the cage?

[while taking into account that Carbon Fibre is 3.4x stronger than steel, therefore being able to absorb a lot more kinetic energy]

I would love to see you crumble a piece of carbon fibre. This is just getting ridiculous now.

 

[Splinter]

Dual purpose.

Ah. So you are still sticking with your theory that crumple zones are designed to squash occupants.

You must be terrified of seat belts then. What is it you think they were designed to do?

 

[pinball wizard]

If it was comfort level or risk assessment then I guess people don’t have any in SA. The number of stupid people I see on the road with entire family in the SUV has always surprised me.

People in SA are comfy doing an overtake maneuver with on coming vehicles over solid barriers over a blind hill/bend and then when they get thru it unscathed it just resets their threshold for risk till one day, as stats dictates, their luck has run out.

Anyway my point is simple, the avg road user in SA have zero self preservation instinct and ironically it seems like the more costly the vehicle the greater the chance the person is a complete idiot. Kinda like fraud & corruption it in SA, it transcends race & culture.

Brilliant post

 

[rietrot]

Ah. So you are still sticking with your theory that crumple zones are designed to squash occupants.

You must be terrified of seat belts then. What is it you think they were designed to do?

Yes the seatbelt is a crumple zone. Lol.
The best seatbelt like those in race cars properly secure the driver and allows almost no movement.

Normal seatbelt is actually a shît design. It is better than nothing though.

 

[Splinter]

Yes the seatbelt is a crumple zone. Lol.
The best seatbelt like those in race cars properly secure the driver and allows almost no movement.

Normal seatbelt is actually a shît design. It is better than nothing though.

While a racing drivers harness is indeed better than a normal seatbelt, would you mind telling us why you say a seatbelt is a "**** design"?

 

[DMNknight]

I would love to see you crumble a piece of carbon fibre. This is just getting ridiculous now.

Pieces of carbon fibre following Alonso's formula 1 car, each carrying their own kinetic energy & mass away from the vehicle reducing the overall kinetic energy when it eventually impacts the wall.
Like literally.
Ripped off the car
and in some cases, crumbled and stuff.

I didn't do any of the ripping mind you, I don't know why you expect I'd want to rip carbon fibre but I wasn't even there.
However, the accident did all the crumbling and ripping for me... so I guess it's a win win.

 

[DMNknight]

Yes the seatbelt is a crumple zone. Lol.
The best seatbelt like those in race cars properly secure the driver and allows almost no movement.

Normal seatbelt is actually a shît design. It is better than nothing though.

Omg no.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Speed is only a factor in that it determines the amount of kinetic energy that needs to be expended when meeting an object going slower than itself. (or negative speed when taking into account going in different directions)
What actually kills is the result of the kinetic energy differential and its effects on the human body once all energy has been expended.

Not really, those are merely contributing factors in death, just like speed. What kills is lack of oxygen to the brain, usually accelerated through bleeding.