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GreGorGy

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MyBB rule of bok selections:

Is the player a former or current BULLS player?
-Y: He is useless and the sharks incumbent should be chosen
-N: Is the player relatively old?
--Y: He is useless and the sharks incumbent should be chosen
--N: Is the player a former or current WP player?
---Y: He costs us penalties and the sharks incumbent should be chosen
---N: Is the player a current sharks player?
----Y: He is being played out of position and doesn't get enough field time
----N: These FS players are not into the game and injury prone. The sharks incumbent should be chosen
 

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MyBB rule of bok selections:

Is the player a former or current BULLS player?
-Y: He is useless and the sharks incumbent should be chosen

-N: Is the player relatively old?
--Y: He is useless and the sharks incumbent should be chosen
--N: Is the player a former or current WP player?
---Y: He costs us penalties and the sharks incumbent should be chosen
---N: Is the player a current sharks player?
----Y: He is being played out of position and doesn't get enough field time
----N: These FS players are not into the game and injury prone. The sharks incumbent should be chosen

..... Looking at the Bullies 2013 season, that is the best idea EVAR!
 

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So all factors considered, Lambie should be starting far more than he is. He should be bred into the team to properly manage the backline - he doesn't get that opportunity much and the players need to respect his calls as well. I get the impression that Du Preez runs the calls when Lambie's on the pitch, for this reason. That makes Lambie's job that much harder.

IMO he has a very smart rugby head on his shoulders and his decision-making is very good. He's not too quick to kick possession away and tends to do so when there's a territorial advantage to be had, or the game situation calls for it. I also see a lot more creativity with the backline when he's on the pitch. We have players running support in the tackle to take the offload and we see a lot more running of proper lines. That's all centred on how the flyhalf performs. When Morne is on the pitch we see straight lines run by him, he often doesn't run into support channels, and he tends to kick willy-nilly for the sake of it far too often. He also doesn't read the forwards' game very well, nor manage them into the backline as efficiently as Lambie does.

Now I see the same Lambie-style in Goosen, and I reckon we'll see him match-fit and gearing back to his old form soon. If so, I'd have the two of them swapping bench-start roles from now on and Morne sitting in the stands. He's a Naas Botha, and those days of tight rugby won exclusively by goal-kicking are gone. Putting him on also opens us up to serious defensive problems.

I don't agree that he should be getting any game-time right now. Heyneke's goals should be to have the best possible backline by "Tri-Nations", or whatever they're going to call it next year. Our forwards are immense, and we're probably the most intimidating forward pack in the world - injure Kieran Read and we're the best - find a tough SOB to steal ball at the breakdown (Eben is good in this respect) and even with Kieran on the park, I maintain that we're the best when we click.

Our backline on the other hand is weak. Jacque Fourie needs to go. He's a liability, and as much as he was a stalwart for us in previous years, he is not proving himself in the form department. He is all over the park, constantly trying to find himself in the right positions which leaves gaps to run into against us. Even the Scots found it! Imagine what an in-form NZ/England will do there. We need some solidity at fullback and flyhalf, and Willie is forcing Heyneke's hand there, which is good. Our wings are devastating. So there are some small things that need work that involve a change of mindset with respect to favouring old form over young blood.

Now here's the dilemma. If we agree that Zane is not up to scratch, and Willie is injured, I imagine Lambie will slot in for him. That leaves us open to problems if Goosen starts - he is already prone to injury and if he has a problem, who do we put on? You can't have three backline players anticipated for the same position on the bench. So the solution can't be Morne. Heyneke has to find a better fullback second option...
 

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Fourie du Preez will not be available for the Springboks' final Test of the year in Paris on Saturday, while Frans Malherbe and Francois Louw are in doubt because of injury.

According to a Saru press release, it was agreed with Du Preez's Japanese club Suntory Sungoliath that he would be released after the Scotland Test. He has been replaced in the squad by Toulouse No 9 Jano Vermaak.

'Fourie will be sorely missed as he was Man of the Match in two of the five Tests he played this season,' said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer. 'He really put his body on the line the last fortnight, and we are very fortunate, though, to replace him [in the starting line-up] with another world-class player in Ruan Pienaar.

http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/fourie-wont-face-france
 

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Uncapped Blue Bulls prop Frik Kirsten has received a surprise call-up to join the Springbok squad in Paris ahead of Saturday’s test against France.
Kirsten replaces Frans Malherbe, who suffered an injury during the first half of Sunday’s match in Edinburgh. Many consider the call-up surprising, given that coach Heyneke Meyer had earlier in the year invited Sharks prop Wiehahn Herbst to a training camp, indicating that he may be next in line.
According to the SARU release, both Jannie du Plessis and Pat Cilliers continue to be unavailable for selection.

I know he prolly won't even play but why not go with Trevor or Herbst first? Leftfield, plucked-out-my-poephol selections again.
 

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Uncapped Blue Bulls

That's why. Sadly, Heyneke has this notion that "Bulls-style" rugby is what he wants in the Boks...
 

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Uncapped Blue Bulls

That's why. Sadly, Heyneke has this notion that "Bulls-style" rugby is what he wants in the Boks...

Odd you should say that seeing as neither Jannie, Coenie or Frans are Blue Bulls...
 

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You'll defend him every time and I don't rate him, why even bother, seriously.

No, I will say when he has had a good game, unlike you who will moan and moan and moan about him until the cows come home. Yes, he is a liability because of his poor disciplinary record. You however just blamed him for the poor line out showing in the second half.... when Bismarck was on.... but you refuse to give a single word of compliment for him calling the line outs that demolished the Scottish counterpart. So perhaps think before you type this tripe.

..... Looking at the Bullies 2013 season, that is the best idea EVAR!

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2: BULLS
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6: cheetahs
7: stormers
8: sharks
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:D

Erm, M_H, may I ask what your point was? Or are you saying that the CC is a better test of a team than Super Rugby? Or is your mind still on Flip not returning your calls and you had a tiny brainfart?

I know he prolly won't even play but why not go with Trevor or Herbst first? Leftfield, plucked-out-my-poephol selections again.

I am guessing it is because you know a lot about prop-play/characteristics and it has nothing to do with the fact that he is from the Bulls?

Or is your brain melting because Heyneke is not failing and o hell he is from Bulls country? Seriously man take off those blinkers it is getting terribly tiresome to hear these little snippets from you yet there is not stats, really valid opinions to back them up, you know almost like a Leftfield, plucked-out-my-poephol comment by you.

Ps were you not also moaning about Malherbe when he was included? And he turned out fine.....
 
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Uncapped Blue Bulls

That's why. Sadly, Heyneke has this notion that "Bulls-style" rugby is what he wants in the Boks...

DJ go sit in the time out corner with M_H. :mad:

When will Heyneke be given the benefit of the doubt? Only when he lifts the WC-Trophy?

Also do you guys realize that he is not the sole vote when it comes to player selection?
 
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The Bulls were SA's best placed Super 15 side this year. Does it not make sense that they would make up the bulk of the Springbok squad regardless of who the coach is?
 

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When will Heyneke be given the benefit of the doubt? Only when he lifts the WC-Trophy?

Springbok coach is arguably the toughest coaching job in world sport.

You know I'm not a HM fan but he's is growing on me BIGTIME!! His passion for the sport is unbridled and he is getting the results! Yes, it hasn't always been pretty but a win is a win!

Victory against the French is critical though. Finish the season off with another win and I would say its been a highly successful season for HM. A loss would tarnish it somewhat!!
 

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I see us putting 20 past them, at least. And their few points coming from penalties. We need to keep that try-scoring sheet clean. The longer we do that, the more influence we have on other teams' tactics against us, and the more predictable they become...
 

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I see us putting 20 past them, at least. And their few points coming from penalties. We need to keep that try-scoring sheet clean. The longer we do that, the more influence we have on other teams' tactics against us, and the more predictable they become...

As much as 20? Mmmmm... Hope so...

Hopefully the pitch and weather will play their part...

I'm scared of the French! They haven't really performed this season but you know they've always got one top draw performance in the bank should they require it! I'd be gutted if they saving it for us....
 

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As much as 20? Mmmmm... Hope so...

Hopefully the pitch and weather will play their part...

I'm scared of the French! They haven't really performed this season but you know they've always got one top draw performance in the bank should they require it! I'd be gutted if they saving it for us....

I actually really hope that they click. I want to see how we perform with this team under pressure. I still see us beating them on one of their rare good days. But then again, I see us beating the All Blacks all of the time...:D
 

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Sorry that I don't compliment your liefling, don't have to. Problem?
That was a little ribbing directed at Gregory, like I have done before, don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong and it won't get bent out of shape. Problem?
You're really gonna sit there and say that Kirsten is better than Trevor, who had a pretty damn good season?

Seems that if anyone dares say anything about the Bulls, you jump on your pathetic little high horse and bleat and take it personal. Go play in traffic troll.
 
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