Springbok squad for end of year tour

[LancelotSA]

Adams, de Jongh and Olivier have been some of our best players. You sure you're watching the right game? Oh right, there aren't enough of your beloved Sharkies playing.

Hmm, seems like the one accusing MH of provincialism here may in fact be the one who has a problem with the Sharks....

Hargreaves I must admit I was sceptical about his selection beforehand but he played well tonight.
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Said before that I'm not a big Deysel fan but he was impressive today.

Below all the "concern" areas, besides the locks, coincidentally include Sharks players...

We have an untested front row, a new lock combination, a centre pairing that hasn't fired and (imo) not a very good loose forward trio.

Of course this might all just be the way I am seeing it as an outsider looking in or merely coincidental...

 

[silent_shadow]

The head of the reffing body offered NZ an apology for the Aussies refs shltty performance in saturdays gave NZ vs Italy. He says the ref was not right on half of the calls he made against NZ in the scrums.

Heh, bet they'd never apologise to us if they made reffing errors at scrum time.

Even if they were lucky against NZ at scrum time last week the scrum is till a big part of their game and the Italian tighthead prop they have is the Leicester one who totally destroyed us.
Wian du Preez's a good player though, hope he stands up. Still not sure about Smit at tighthead...

 

[silent_shadow]

Hmm, seems like the one accusing MH of provincialism here may in fact be the one who has a problem with the Sharks....



Below all the "concern" areas, besides the locks, coincidentally include Sharks players...



Of course this might all just be the way I am seeing it as an outsider looking in or merely coincidental...

I have no problem with the Sharks, but let me guess you're another supporter of them? I don't see how anyone can not look at Mephisto_Helix's posts and not say he's embarrassingly biased.

if you're going to make a proper argument at least make it make sense.
There are a lot of Sharks players in the bok squad, and there are a lot of problem areas in the bok squad. Hence a lot of the problem areas may perhaps include Sharks players?
And since I better spell it out for you: I'm not implying the Sharks players are the reason we have problem areas.

 

[LancelotSA]

Perhaps you are right... but as stated it appears provincial bias is not the sole preserve of MH.

You say you have no problem with the Sharks. MH says he has no bias. Other readers may see different in both instances.

 

[silent_shadow]

Below all the "concern" areas, besides the locks, coincidentally include Sharks players...

We have an untested front row, a new lock combination, a centre pairing that hasn't fired and (imo) not a very good loose forward trio.

Of course this might all just be the way I am seeing it as an outsider looking in or merely coincidental...

Untested front row: I don't see how I'm blaming the Sharks for a front row not being tested. Although I'm not sure about Smit at tightead. Because he's a hooker.

Centre pairing: Well they haven't fired have they?

Loose forward trio: Kankowski is an overrated no 8 and does nothing in tight games. Rossouw isn't a good no 7 (we have better loosies than both those 2) and Brussow is world class.

 

[LancelotSA]

I suppose I should really have quoted you before you went in and changed your post I responded to....

You see bias somewhere. I see bias somewhere. Funny how in your eyes you are definitely right and I just have to be wrong.

And again I repeat that it may be purely coincidental but you have always been sceptical of Hargreaves, even though he captained at the junior levels and won world cups, and have never rated Deysel, who was repeatedly pointed out as one of the star players this year, and they just both happen to be Sharks players.

 

[APoc184]

The head of the reffing body offered NZ an apology for the Aussies refs shltty performance in saturdays gave NZ vs Italy. He says the ref was not right on half of the calls he made against NZ in the scrums.

Stuart Dickheadson is really terrible lately. They should never have let him blow that NZ vs Italy test after the SA dirt-trackers vs Leicester game.

Why didn't we get an apology? We still played crap but he was worse.

 

[Ou grote]

Perhaps you are right... but as stated it appears provincial bias is not the sole preserve of MH.

You say you have no problem with the Sharks. MH says he has no bias. Other readers may see different in both instances.

One of the many nice things about being a WeePee supporter is that we don't have bias issues.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Omg and now P.Divvy says he rates Francois Hougaard from Tuesdays match

 

[silent_shadow]

I suppose I should really have quoted you before you went in and changed your post I responded to....

You see bias somewhere. I see bias somewhere. Funny how in your eyes you are definitely right and I just have to be wrong.

And again I repeat that it may be purely coincidental but you have always been sceptical of Hargreaves, even though he captained at the junior levels and won world cups, and have never rated Deysel, who was repeatedly pointed out as one of the star players this year, and they just both happen to be Sharks players.

What exactly has Hargreaves done at Super 14 and Currie Cup level this season to be selected? Should Paul Delport play for the boks just because he also captained and won both junior world cups?

And Deysel is overrated in my opinion. Sure he's strong and good on the ground. But otherwise he's extremely slow, he often loses the ball in contact and whenever he gets the ball he seems to think he can bulldoze through the opponent and rarely does. Not intelligent. (Yes, a good flanker should be intelligent). And I've only seen him have 1 consistently good season (last season).

I'm sorry I don't rate every Sharks player. Christ.

 

[Slooth]

Guys as a country we've won the Super 14, Lions Tour and the Tri-Nations.

As supporters we're a proud and demanding bunch!

The okes are tired, it's been a long year... viva la boks!

 

[Zyzzyva]

Omg and now P.Divvy says he rates Francois Hougaard from Tuesdays match

Francois Hougaard will be good in time. That performance was an aberration.

 

[Devill]

Francois Hougaard will be good in time. That performance was an aberration.

I agree. But he should not play scrummie. He impressed me a lot more at inside centre and at wing. Sure he could also play fullback if the need was great enough.

I am also worry about Kanko. I thought he would grasp the chance to play for the boks but he just has not been up to par

At least we are seeing some improvement and guys like Deysel get a run and is someone to look at for the future.

Then we also need to get rid of Jacobs NOW! FFS the guy has been give enough chances (no im not picking on him because he is a shark )

I say give everyone thats new in the team till the end of the tour to prove why they should stay on.

Guys as a country we've won the Super 14, Lions Tour and the Tri-Nations.

As supporters we're a proud and demanding bunch!

The okes are tired, it's been a long year... viva la boks!

We have always struggled with the end of year euro tour. And I agree we have won everything else there is to win.

Viva le Bokke!

 

[killadoob]

Guys sorry i have not been keeping up with bokke when do they play italy?

 

[silent_shadow]

Guys sorry i have not been keeping up with bokke when do they play italy?

Saturday, 15:30 (I think)

 

[Zyzzyva]

I am also worry about Kanko. I thought he would grasp the chance to play for the boks but he just has not been up to par

I'm a little worried too. But i think we need to look at the performance in context.

-The guy has had no starts, so he hasnt had a chance to find his groove like he may need.
-The pack was flying backwards.
-The field made the ball slippery.
-He is a running player, who has never been good on soggy fields or in rough grinding games.

He is a horses for courses player and should be used as such. Spies is alot more dynamic and able to play in more types of games. We need a bigger bulkier backup for the rough and tough stuff.

At least we are seeing some improvement and guys like Deysel get a run and is someone to look at for the future.

Agreed, but i'd like to see Duane Vermeulen also get a call up.

Then we also need to get rid of Jacobs NOW! FFS the guy has been give enough chances (no im not picking on him because he is a shark )

I say give everyone thats new in the team till the end of the tour to prove why they should stay on.

He is just too powderpuff. Using Adi with the crash ball is just daft. He is perhaps best as an impact player later on in the game.

 

[LancelotSA]

So Naas giving Adi credit for stalling the defender momentarily to allow Habana to get away and pass to Fourie to score..... but of course he needs to go.

And how many missed kicks already by Morne? And standing with his hands in the air while the Italians score under the poles.

 

[cybershark]

You can see why we lost to France.

Edit:
Now we got a real front row. Beast giving it to that fat Italian, who gets the upper hand by scrumming illegally.

 

[LancelotSA]

That's more like it!! BJ and Beast doing the business!!

 

[cybershark]

That's more like it!! BJ and Beast doing the business!!

Indeed

See my edit above.