Springboks vs England 2012 - 3 Test tour

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That Marcell Coetzee is a top class player and man oh man does he put in 100%. I must admit, Steve Walsh had a decent game with the whistle for a change...
 

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Ignoring any mom calls... Aplon showed some really good commitment with some great defense.
 

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The crows booing Steyn. Really sick.

Well ... he had yet again a shocker of a game! He should be rested for the next 5years, but Heyneke will never do that. He will stick with Morne until Morne retires. We are at least 20 points better than the poms, but then you need a proper flyhalf! One that does not kick positive possession away.
 

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Yeah, he didnt get too many chances to attack but he also showed why you need more than just a good kicking flyhalf but have a decent kicker at fullback as well.
 

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The crows booing Steyn. Really sick.

He deserves it.

Edit: I don't like booing. This guy has cost us a lot of points in the last couple of games. Why did they not select a different kicker though?
 
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lmao! The irony that Morne is going through the same thing that Ruan went through in 2009. Can you imagine if Ruan replaces him.

haha.
 

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Why did they not bring on elton or better yet give plan to kick?
 

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Yeah the Boks were way to one dimensional. Plan A didn't work so... well push on with plan A because there was no plan B.
We were determined to hit them with our forwards even though it wasn't working, with their defence brilliant on the day; and when we did send it wide we actually looked like scoring. Bad match IMO, Heyneke needs to up his game (plan).
 

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Yeah the Boks were way to one dimensional. Plan A didn't work so... well push on with plan A because there was no plan B.
We were determined to hit them with our forwards even though it wasn't working, with their defence brilliant on the day; and when we did send it wide we actually looked like scoring. Bad match IMO,

Yeah I don't know why they keep banging their heads when it's not working.
 

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80 minutes of my life I'll never get back. What a crap game. Gotta give credit to the English though. They were very solid on defense and they read the bok game like a book. Our predictability will be our undoing and considering the hiding the AB's gave the Irish, if we don't come up with some much needed variation in our game plan the AB's will make us look piss poor in the Rugby Championship.

As some have said, Morne has become a serious liability and needs to be demoted to the bench quickly. IMO Grant needs to be given a start. I don't rate Jantjies much but hell I'd even prefer him at no. 10 right now.

Hougaard also had another below-average game. Perhaps its just me but I don't see him being a specialist scrummy like Fourie du Preez was. The oke is at his most dangerous when he has space to work with so I still think he'll make a much better contribution on the wing.

Yeah the Boks were way to one dimensional. Plan A didn't work so... well push on with plan A because there was no plan B.
We were determined to hit them with our forwards even though it wasn't working, with their defence brilliant on the day; and when we did send it wide we actually looked like scoring. Bad match IMO, Heyneke needs to up his game (plan).

Agree 100%. I don't know what it is with that continuous pick and go BS. For the love of God spread the ball wide...that's what we have a backline for!
 
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Ok, so after all my Aplon smack-talk, he played a really good game. Solid defence and read their aerial game super well! Its just a pity we didn't spread the ball quickly enough and let our wings and backs do some serious running. If the forwards aren't making progress, then we just have nothing. Very scary.

Morne...lol. Sorry but he just doesn't have the decision making ability for a world class flyhalf which the Boks deserve. If he can't be solid kicking, then he must be dropped. I would have really loved to see Jantjies given at least 10 - 20mins of the game, especailly when Morne didn't prove to help at all for the first 60-70mins - which ended up to be 80mins! If you watched the baby boks and that flyhalf. The damn game revolved around him, unbelievable, he was fully in control....I'm so glad we have some real talent coming through the ranks in that department.
 

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Ok, so after all my Aplon smack-talk, he played a really good game. Solid defence and read their aerial game super well! Its just a pity we didn't spread the ball quickly enough and let our wings and backs do some serious running. If the forwards aren't making progress, then we just have nothing. Very scary.

IMHO, Olivier was in the back line, so we shouldn't really be surprised by this. I can't recall 100%, as the match excitement level was right up there with watching the process of dew evaporation, so correct me if I'm making this up, but I think here was an instance when Jean made a break and his centre partner was nowhere to be found and the play died (again) right there at the tackle point. Jacques Fourie, on the other hand, had the ability to "read" the play and was (almost) always there when Jean off loaded in the tackle, as this is one of his (Jean) many strenghts. In Olivier's defence - the two centres haven't played together a lot, so this might improve. I am not a Stormers fan, but I would've rather put de Jongh there. He's much more of an attacking player. The stats speak for themselves: Juan de Jongh - 10 caps, 4 tries; Wynand Olivier - 37 caps, 1 try (also keeping in mind that probably many of the caps were earned during the last 5 - 10 min of a game)

If you watched the baby boks and that flyhalf. The damn game revolved around him, unbelievable, he was fully in control....I'm so glad we have some real talent coming through the ranks in that department.

I'm with you there. Kind of reminds you of Jake White's junior boks...
 

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Why boo honestly

Because they are fsck tards.

kick it away, kick it away, kick it away, no gameplan is why we will lose.

Can't even get anywhere when one of them is off the field, shocking.

We did not have a good game as the kicking was not on par. The kicking game has a place if excecuted right.

I am as pissed off with Steyn as the crowd are right now. Even they are booing him.

Really sick and tired of his sluggish, kick-centric game...

Steyn was fine in the first two test wrt ball distrb etc etc. His kicking was an utter failure thought.

The problem was in the group there was no one else that could play at flyhalf for the last test. I am sure that if Lambie was fit he would have started or subbed steyn in the flyhalf position after 30 minutes. And no Jantjies was not an option in the last 30mins as he has no real international experience.

The crows booing Steyn. Really sick.

+1. I fscking hate a booing crowd.

People with a limited understanding of life in general would be the first to boo, is my guess.

1) We miss Alberts (Potgieter really did try his best but was not as effective on the day)
2) We missed Steyn's "good" kicking game.
3) We missed Frans Steyn at inside centre.
4) We lacked the amount of "heart" shown in the second half of the first test and the first half of the second test.
5) The basics was not done as well as in the first tests.
 
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He deserves it.

Edit: I don't like booing. This guy has cost us a lot of points in the last couple of games. Why did they not select a different kicker though?

No one deserves being booed unless you play outside of the rules.
I also have no idea why they did not use pienaar as kicker.

lmao! The irony that Morne is going through the same thing that Ruan went through in 2009. Can you imagine if Ruan replaces him.

haha.

Erm you do know RP is a scrummie right... well hopefully they do not try that "Ruan is so good he can even play lock" kqk again.

I would have given him the penalty kicks though :)

Why did they not bring on elton or better yet give plan to kick?

I would have also liked to see Jantjies take the field. However HM kept the experienced player on the field, and as boring as that might be it is not my or your record that will be reviewed at the end of the year.

IMHO, Olivier was in the back line, so we shouldn't really be surprised by this. I can't recall 100%, as the match excitement level was right up there with watching the process of dew evaporation, so correct me if I'm making this up, but I think here was an instance when Jean made a break and his centre partner was nowhere to be found and the play died (again) right there at the tackle point. Jacques Fourie, on the other hand, had the ability to "read" the play and was (almost) always there when Jean off loaded in the tackle, as this is one of his (Jean) many strenghts. In Olivier's defence - the two centres haven't played together a lot, so this might improve. I am not a Stormers fan, but I would've rather put de Jongh there. He's much more of an attacking player. The stats speak for themselves: Juan de Jongh - 10 caps, 4 tries; Wynand Olivier - 37 caps, 1 try (also keeping in mind that probably many of the caps were earned during the last 5 - 10 min of a game)

Sorry can you please explain how olivier should have "been there" if he was tackled and ofloaded to Jean? 12 -> 13 ....

Olivier had a pathetic game but your comment baffels me.
 

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Erm you do know RP is a scrummie right... well hopefully they do not try that "Ruan is so good he can even play lock" kqk again.
RP he plays both scrummie and flyhalf.
Even so, I dont rate him as a flyhalf.
 

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Steyn was fine in the first two test wrt ball distrb etc etc. His kicking was an utter failure thought.

We'll have to disagree on the former. His ball distribution wasn't great at all in the first two tests either...


The problem was in the group there was no one else that could play at flyhalf for the last test. I am sure that if Lambie was fit he would have started or subbed steyn in the flyhalf position after 30 minutes. And no Jantjies was not an option in the last 30mins as he has no real international experience.

Ruan Pienaar could have slotted in at 10, although the problem there is his lack of experience in the bok jersey at 10, not his lack of experience in the position. The goal-kicking duties should have been handed over to Ruan too - that was Jean's call that he didn't make...
 

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Sorry can you please explain how olivier should have "been there" if he was tackled and ofloaded to Jean? 12 -> 13 ....

Olivier had a pathetic game but your comment baffels me.

A friendly reminder / correction of Jean = 13 and Wynand = 12 would've sufficed ;) Goes to show how much of the game I watched. I apologise to all Wynand fans.
 

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RP he plays both scrummie and flyhalf.
Even so, I dont rate him as a flyhalf.

He has, he sucked at flyhalf. He rocks at scrummie. Simple.

Well the boks haven't had a chance to miss him yet...:D

I hope that he does not become injury prone before he gets a chance to make wear the Green and Gold :(

We'll have to disagree on the former. His ball distribution wasn't great at all in the first two tests either...

Ruan Pienaar could have slotted in at 10, although the problem there is his lack of experience in the bok jersey at 10, not his lack of experience in the position. The goal-kicking duties should have been handed over to Ruan too - that was Jean's call that he didn't make...

Pienaar is kqk at 10. He also hates it. or do you think he left for overseas just because of the $$$.

He should ahve been Fourie du Preez's succesor until some fcktard in senior management got the bright idea that pienaar, because he has great vision, etc etc, will make a great flyhalf. they tried, he sucked at 10 and lost a good 2 years where he could have become the best scrumhalf in world rugby instead of the 96th best flyhalf in world rugby.

A friendly reminder / correction of Jean = 13 and Wynand = 12 would've sufficed ;) Goes to show how much of the game I watched. I apologise to all Wynand fans.

It gets on my nerves when people see things where they are not and then allocate it to a player that does not deserve it.

I really dislike wynand (I am extremely happy that he is going to Japan - and yes I am a Bulls supporter), but like with some on this forum there are holy cows... You did not see one compliment for spies after he had a great game last week, neither did anyone aknowledge that Olivier made the most tackles of all the boks last weekend even though he was on for a shorter period of time, etc etc.....

So sorry if you are not one of these :eek:
 
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