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Anyone attended/attending the currently ran SpringSource courses around the world including Cape Town and Johannesburg? If so what is your view and do you think Spring Framework in the J2EE world is the way to go?
 

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Anyone attended/attending the currently ran SpringSource courses around the world including Cape Town and Johannesburg? If so what is your view and do you think Spring Framework in the J2EE world is the way to go?

Didn't attend, but it could be interesting. I'd especially like to know what Spring can bring to the table when most of Spring's features are now implemented by EJB3 under the hood.
 

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Didn't attend, but it could be interesting. I'd especially like to know what Spring can bring to the table when most of Spring's features are now implemented by EJB3 under the hood.

attending the one on 26 here in CT, look forward .. always liked Spring Framework
 

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Don't know, I'm not too keen on Spring anyway, besides, you don't need it in the JEE 5 world.

We are using the Spring security connector though.
 

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By default in JEE 5 and above you have a choice of using Hibernate or JPA for persistence, it's also pluggable so you can use any implementation.

What do you mean with web tools?
 

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MVC is a bit old by now and only really caters for the front end (JSP's and servlets) of web applications.

If you want to look at a really good JEE server and framework (which is free) look a JBoss SEAM. Seam is based on the MVC principles but covers all the aspects of a web application in the JEE world.

EDIT: BTW, do you have a google wave account? We are a couple of myBB members on there that have technology and OO chats going on.
 

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Don't know, I'm not too keen on Spring anyway, besides, you don't need it in the JEE 5 world.

We are using the Spring security connector though.

ppl who say they dont like Spring, obviously never tried it, or never 'got' it. I use it for all my JEE.
 

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ppl who say they dont like Spring, obviously never tried it, or never 'got' it. I use it for all my JEE.

O I have used it, it was a while ago though. I had issues where spring was creating the session bean as a type of singleton though.

Spring works if you need a light wight container, but it wont work for the kind of systems I work on, we get up to 2000 logins per minute
 

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O I have used it, it was a while ago though. I had issues where spring was creating the session bean as a type of singleton though.

Spring works if you need a light wight container, but it wont work for the kind of systems I work on, we get up to 2000 logins per minute

even more reason to use Spring then. I think you confusing the word 'lightweight'. If you getting 2000 logins a second, even more reason to use a 'lightweight' container. :) Its lightweight, as in, loads and processes faster, not lightweight as in junior, amateur etc. Spring is the culmination of decades of bad jEE habits, made right. Take another look, as for me, I use nothing else. I have a global business webapp running on nothing but Spring underneath. It does it all, there perfect ways to do everything, persistence, jms, servlet, security, the works.
 

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even more reason to use Spring then. I think you confusing the word 'lightweight'. If you getting 2000 logins a second, even more reason to use a 'lightweight' container. :) Its lightweight, as in, loads and processes faster, not lightweight as in junior, amateur etc. Spring is the culmination of decades of bad jEE habits, made right. Take another look, as for me, I use nothing else. I have a global business webapp running on nothing but Spring underneath. It does it all, there perfect ways to do everything, persistence, jms, servlet, security, the works.

I think you are smoking your socks, but seriously though, you sound like the kind kind of guy I could go out with for a few beers with and spend the the night in some good debate.

Or you can come to my house and I can tan meat while we are busy???
 

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I think you are smoking your socks, but seriously though, you sound like the kind kind of guy I could go out with for a few beers with and spend the the night in some good debate.

Or you can come to my house and I can tan meat while we are busy???

Will talk after the course am attending in the 29th, then maybe i may make a good argument, for now, still crawling ....
 
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