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The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?How come?
The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?How come?
The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?
New definition of democracy - by the people (excluding majority) for the people (excluding majority) and so on..The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?
Any party that is represented in parliament has all the right to take part in parliamentary activities, so it is not really a question of me thinking its a good or a bad idea, it's more a question of people wanting to bend and change the rules as they go along, depending on how convenient or inconvenient the rules are.Why do you feel it's a good idea for them to be included?
That's a fair point.Any party that is represented in parliament has all the right to take part in parliamentary activities, so it is not really a question of me thinking its a good or a bad idea, it's more a question of people wanting to bend and change the rules as they go along, depending on how convenient or inconvenient the rules are.
The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?
To be fair I don't think the NPA said anything about waiting for anyone, as far as I am concerned they are busy doing their job regardless of what parliament and government is doing.I am in the view that the President must remain mandated to submitting an implementation plan. I don’t support another commission being established, but clearly, there is uncertainty amongst the parties, so be it. The question is who elects the commission, and how will the commission be made up? Ramaphosa is the executive, his implementation plan could be supplementary.
In reality, it is the NPA who needs to have an action plan, and now they need (?) to wait on an ethics committee? They should proceed, and the state and its party representatives would need to act accordingly. The last thing I want to see is a collision with state interests.
Everything which state or remotely state related is a delay.
Since the ANC as a party is implicated in Zondo? And it's mostly their officials that are implicated?The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?
The ANC as a party will not be involved in parliamentary proceedings, the MPs of the National Assembly would be. The National Assembly, means exactly that, the National Assembly, you are going to run into plenty contradictions if you start looking at things from a party perspective.Since the ANC as a party is implicated in Zondo? And it's mostly their officials that are implicated?
Wouldn't make sense to give the accused state capturers the power to decide their own punishments and to decide how to prevent themselves from committing such actions again? Since we all know how that would turn out...
MPs that are still part of the party involved in State Capture...The ANC as a party will not be involved in parliamentary proceedings, the MPs of the National Assembly would be.
Snap election then? Would be in their favour probably?If the opposition parties have lost confidence in parliament members who belong to the ANC it means they have no confidence in Parliament, then they need to stop whatever they are doing and dissolve parliament.
If we can improve and strengthen our democracy and create safeguards to prevent state capture from ever happening again while holding the complicit to account, why not?Wanting to invent new laws and and a different democracy now sounds more like politicking and nothing else to me, parliament must simply get on with the business and stop fooling around.
You are probably not willing to think more deeply about it, but a quick question, suppose people had to be arrested for their roles in the state capture, how is the arrest of the ANC going to look like?MPs that are still part of the party involved in State Capture...
Snap election then? Would be in their favour probably?
If we can improve and strengthen our democracy and create safeguards to prevent state capture from ever happening again while holding the complicit to account, why not?
Probably by mass arresting incriminated leaders/MPs/members (former or current).But a quick question, suppose people had to be arrested for their roles in the state capture, how is the arrest of the ANC going to look like?
100%. When they say EOH or whatever company was involved in some dodgy dealings there is usually someone who is accountable at the end of the day, either the CEO or someone higher up, it doesn't have to be a mass of people, just one person doing something on behalf of the company.Probably by mass arresting incriminated leaders/MPs/members (former or current).
Not like the name and the logo FFS.
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath.....Yummy yummy
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Yeah, I'm not holding my breath.....
I have to ask, will we ever have the will to prosecute the Guptas? They enriched many, and established the public dialogue in which the state is now invested and committed to.
Our Interpol ambassador stated at the time that we secured a extradition treaty to secure the Guptas. That treaty should now be actioned. Nonetheless, the red notice was executed and is alleged to have produced results, but to quote,
All I have to say is that the red notice will sure help Ramaphosa's New Dawn campaign, said to eliminate state capture and corruption. Now that he has the Guptas on the hook, what now, what will the cadres do?
At least we know that the UAE takes this serious, they did as Interpol requested. Our own record in this regard... also on this president's watch mind you.
EDIT: To add,
For how long has this red notice been out, nearly 12 months?
They surely have the resources to do Zuma's Stalingrad ten times over. But it is nice that they are being harassed instead of living freely.
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Should help him out yeah. I guess we now feel how the Americans felt after they capped Bin Laden. ****ing ecstatic.All I have to say is that the red notice will sure help Ramaphosa's New Dawn campaign, said to eliminate state capture and corruption.
Dunno, but RET and uBaba won't be ****ing happy.Now that he has the Guptas on the hook, what now, what will the cadres do?
Yup.At least we know that the UAE takes this serious, they did as Interpol requested. Our own record in this regard... also on this president's watch mind you.
EDIT: To add,
For how long has this red notice been out, nearly 12 months?
Rajesh and Atul Gupta have been arrested in Dubai, more than four months after Interpol issued a red notice for them in connection with fraud and money laundering charges.