State of global climate

[Unhappy438]

Cherry-picked data can feed into a person's preconceived notions of reality.

Its funny you say that.

 

[Techne]

Its okay, Ill rather let the real scientists actually qualified in the field form the consensus. They normally know more than random forumite dude.

Or, you can just read up on current research and facts and forget the "science has reached a consensus" twaddle because that did not work too well for phlogiston, pangenesis or even antioxidant supplement theory and lifespan etc. The appeal to authority fallacy does not count much in scientific circles btw. That is a nasty byproduct of the politicization of science, and we all know politicians can't be trusted.

 

[w1z4rd]

Or, you can just read up on current research and facts and forget the "science has reached a consensus" twaddle because that did not work too well for phlogiston, pangenesis or even antioxidant supplement theory and lifespan etc. The appeal to authority does not count much in scientific circles btw.

Nah, still think Ill listen to the scientists rather than random forumite dude.

 

[Techne]

Nah, still think Ill listen to the scientists rather than random forumite dude.

Yeah, if you actually read what I wrote, that is exactly what you should do, even if some random forumite dude is a scientist with a Ph.D.

 

[w1z4rd]

Yeah, if you actually read what I wrote, that is exactly what you should do, even if some random forumite dude is a scientist with a Ph.D.

Thanks, when any of the respectable scientific institutions in the world change their view, Ill be sure to let you know Im sure its possible NASA are going to do a complete U-turn and change what they say but until then, Ill stick with mainstream science.

 

[Unhappy438]

Yeah, if you actually read what I wrote, that is exactly what you should do, even if some random forumite dude is a scientist with a Ph.D.

You're a scientist with a Ph.D? Wait even if you are that doesnt matter. Are you a climate scientist?

 

[Techne]

Funny thing is, we both probably agree with the respectable scientific institutions on the issue on the certainty of the magnitude of the effect that AGW will have on important climate indicators. So yeah, stick to science and drop the bias, unnecessary alarmism and childish rhetoric :erm:.

 

[w1z4rd]

Funny thing is, we both probably agree with the respectable scientific institutions on the issue on the certainty of the magnitude of the effect that AGW will have on important climate indicators.

uhuh

So yeah, stick to science and drop the bias, unnecessary alarmism and childish rhetoric :erm:.

Cute, but again, Ill listen to the scientific consensus on this and not what perceive to be, "alarmism and childish rhetoric". I have not really found your opinions to be my bastions of reliability. Thanks for the suggestion though

I also didnt start this "alarmist" thread. RPM the site owner did. This is far more "alarmist" than what I normally post.

 

[Techne]

Cute, but again, Ill listen to the scientific consensus on this and not what perceive to be, "alarmism and childish rhetoric".

No worries, I'll follow the facts and the science and forget about the politicization of science.

I have not really found your opinions to be my bastions of reliability. Thanks for the suggestion though

Yeah, don't really know why you feel the need to attack my character then say thank you. That is the childish rhetoric I am talking about.

I also didnt start this "alarmist" thread. RPM the site owner did. This is far more "alarmist" than what I normally post.

I didn't say or imply that you started this thread. I just pointed out that your usual biased alarmism is unnecessary.

 

[be.plato]

 

[w1z4rd]

I didn't say or imply that you started this thread. I just pointed out that your usual biased alarmism is unnecessary.

Sure sure, again, I dont trust you or what you would call "alarmism". You simply are not qualified or experienced to make such calls. Perhaps become a real scientist associated with climate science and I might be able to take you seriously, but right now what you call "alarmist", most people call normal, and based on previous experience you are probably one of the last humans alive I would get any type of science advice. Sorry random forumite dude, Ill keep listening to the scientists.

 

[CommonSense]

I'm sorry, still need to learn to create an image in my posts. But if someone can maybe repost this image, it would be good.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/...ming-Cartoons/If-Global-Warming-Is-A-Hoax.htm

So why is there even an argument against creating a better future, even if you don't agree with the reasons?

For the record, I am with the respectable scientists who have provided me with enough, convincing EVIDENCE that Climate Change is accelerating due to human activities.

Also, the Earth is a dymanic system and is trying to correct the situation, that is why it hasn't been too bad YET. But it will reach a tipping point and then all hell will break loose (figuratively and possibly literally). So why argue against measures trying to save planet Earth. It is our ONLY home?

 

[be.plato]

I'm sorry, still need to learn to create an image in my posts. But if someone can maybe repost this image, it would be good.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/...ming-Cartoons/If-Global-Warming-Is-A-Hoax.htm

So why is there even an argument against creating a better future, even if you don't agree with the reasons?

For the record, I am with the respectable scientists who have provided me with enough, convincing EVIDENCE that Climate Change is accelerating due to human activities.

Also, the Earth is a dymanic system and is trying to correct the situation, that is why it hasn't been too bad YET. But it will reach a tipping point and then all hell will break loose (figuratively and possibly literally). So why argue against measures trying to save planet Earth. It is our ONLY home?

The problem is that this climate change thing is largely driven by government and they are driving it cause of the taxes that are coming to "combat" "climate change". Large governments know a good thing when they see it

 

[CommonSense]

The problem is that this climate change thing is largely driven by government and they are driving it cause of the taxes that are coming to "combat" "climate change". Large governments know a good thing when they see it

A conspiracy on a global scale? Where all scientists in different countries agrees?

Yes, governments do try to get their share by taxes and so forth. It's a new untapped revenue stream, but I don't believe that so many respectable scientists in all the countries in the world could be part of this.

It does not make sense.

 

[be.plato]

A conspiracy on a global scale? Where all scientists in different countries agrees?

Yes, governments do try to get their share by taxes and so forth. It's a new untapped revenue stream, but I don't believe that so many respectable scientists in all the countries in the world could be part of this.

It does not make sense.

Have you viewed this website?

Apparently 31,487 respectable scientists have signed this.

 

[Unhappy438]

The problem is that this climate change thing is largely driven by government and they are driving it cause of the taxes that are coming to "combat" "climate change". Large governments know a good thing when they see it

Like China?

Have you viewed this website?

Apparently 31,487 respectable scientists have signed this.

How many of them carry a climate science degree? I believe this link of yours has been debunked many times on this forum.

http://www.desmogblog.com/30000-global-warming-petition-easily-debunked-propaganda

 

[Techne]

Sure sure, again, I dont trust you or what you would call "alarmism". You simply are not qualified or experienced to make such calls. Perhaps become a real scientist associated with climate science and I might be able to take you seriously, but right now what you call "alarmist", most people call normal, and based on previous experience you are probably one of the last humans alive I would get any type of science advice. Sorry random forumite dude, Ill keep listening to the scientists.

Fallacies (e.g. ad hominem, argumentum ad populum etc.) and your personal issues with other forumites do not contribute much towards this conversation. I'll say it again, look at the facts. Btw, if you are consistent with the "You simply are not qualified or experienced" line then you will have to apply it to yourself. In essence, you admit that you accept the scientists' word on faith. Which is fine, but it removes you from having an informed discussion based on the facts.

 

[w1z4rd]

Fallacies (e.g. ad hominem, argumentum ad populum etc.) and your personal issues with other forumites do not contribute much towards this conversation. I'll say it again, look at the facts. Btw, if you are consistent with the "You simply are not qualified or experienced" line then you will have to apply it to yourself. In essence, you admit that you accept the scientists' word on faith. Which is fine, but it removes you from having an informed discussion based on the facts.

Yup, once again Ill ignore you and keep with the scientists, but thanks for your input. My decision is not going to change cause of your beliefs

 

[Techne]

I'm sorry, still need to learn to create an image in my posts. But if someone can maybe repost this image, it would be good.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/...ming-Cartoons/If-Global-Warming-Is-A-Hoax.htm

So why is there even an argument against creating a better future, even if you don't agree with the reasons?

Pollution is the problem and I agree we need to work towards cleaner, more efficient energy sources and usage. Taxing carbon is not optimal.

For the record, I am with the respectable scientists who have provided me with enough, convincing EVIDENCE that Climate Change is accelerating due to human activities.

May I ask what evidence you are referring to? Any specific indicators you may have come across?

Also, the Earth is a dymanic system and is trying to correct the situation, that is why it hasn't been too bad YET. But it will reach a tipping point and then all hell will break loose (figuratively and possibly literally). So why argue against measures trying to save planet Earth. It is our ONLY home?

I am not sure what you are talking about when you claim "the Earth is a dymanic system and is trying to correct the situation, that is why it hasn't been too bad YET". And how would you characterize a tipping point?

Also, the planet does not need saving, it will do just fine with or without us...

 

[Techne]

Yup, once again Ill ignore you and keep with the scientists, but thanks for your input. My decision is not going to change cause of your beliefs

You appear to be under the mistaken impression that I think your opinion will change because of my opinion lol. Anyway, I'll stick to the science as well.