State of global climate

killadoob

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Guys, just a heads up, when killadoob says, "Ghoti says". 99.999% of the time is a blatant lie. Like every time in this thread. Dunno why he is so pathological, but I guess he feels he needs to lie to make a point.

Like this is a statement I have never said:



I wish he had the capacity to be honest :( I personally wont take my science from someone who is a provable liar.

You have said time and again there has never been rapid climate change, don't come with your lies. You keep showing us charts and tell us the climate has never changed this rapidly in the past, so i just assumed you were talking about the 4 odd billion years it has existed. If that is even accurate.

The theory is dead ghoti, only the flat earth type folks clinging onto it.
 
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Unhappy438

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You have said time and again there has never been rapid climate change, don't come with your lies. You keep showing us charts and tell us the climate has never changed this rapidly in the past, so i just assumed you were talking about the 4 odd billion years it has existed. If that is even accurate.

The theory is dead ghoti, only the flat earth type folks clinging onto it.

I prefer your posts when you're drunk :p , atleast then they are rubbish mixed with humor and not just rubbish.
 

killadoob

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I prefer your posts when you're drunk :p , atleast then they are rubbish mixed with humor and not just rubbish.

:p but i speak the truth padawan, there is more than the human factor to consider with climate change. Some people like ghoti ignore everything else and focus on humans being the only cause which is a bit sad considering how little we know.
 

Unhappy438

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:p but i speak the truth padawan, there is more than the human factor to consider with climate change. Some people like ghoti ignore everything else and focus on humans being the only cause which is a bit sad considering how little we know.

Not sure about your fixation with Ghoti , do you need to mention him/her in every single post.
 

w1z4rd

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You have said time and again there has never been rapid climate change, don't come with your lies..

Show me once. Ever. Or be known as a liar to all the forum. You have said I have said it, "time and again" so if you are telling the truth it should not be hard for you to find.

I have never, and would never say such a thing, so I know without a shadow of a doubt your are lying pathologically.
 

killadoob

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Show me once. Ever. Or be known as a liar to all the forum. You have said I have said it, "time and again" so if you are telling the truth it should not be hard for you to find.

I have never, and would never say such a thing, so I know without a shadow of a doubt your are lying pathologically.

So then it is very possible the climate change is normal and humans may have nothing to do with it?
 

w1z4rd

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So then it is very possible the climate change is normal?

Show us killa where I said what you said I said. If you dont everyone will think you are a liar. Dont try and weasel out of it and change the topic so you can hide your shame.
 

w1z4rd

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Answer the question. Then my lies will be known to everyone :D. O the shame.

There you go folks. Empirical evidence to show Killadoob lied about me. You have it in black and white. The guy just lies about me, and cant deliver any evidence. So if he is blatantly lying about me and my opinion on climate change. What else is he lying about with climate change?

I hope everyone takes note of this. I hope everyone takes note of how he tries to weasel out of backing up his lies. People can now see Killadoob for exactly what he is. Killa, I wont respond to you. You lie about me. Responding to a pathological liar is pointless.
 
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killadoob

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LOL

So defensive, simple question and you freak out :D. If anything you are backing up my claims ghoti. You do not think for one second that climate change is a result of anything but the human race.

Am i lying now or telling the truth only you can let us know bud.

:D

Remain calm ghoti, don't let your faith waiver in the midst of growing evidence that is showing your faith to be full of lies and deceit.
 
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w1z4rd

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LOL

So defensive, simple question and you freak out :D. If anything you are backing up my claims ghoti. You do not think for one second that climate change is a result of anything but the human race.

Am i lying now or telling the truth only you can let us know bud.

:D

:rolleyes::

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cyghost

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Answer the question. Then my lies will be known to everyone :D. O the shame.
You made a claim, ghoti challenged you on that claim and instead of manning up, either with the evidence or a retraction, you evade. That is dishonest behavior that should be discouraged.
 

killadoob

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For those of you that think that the climate change we are experincing is a natural normal event.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hs4KVeiAU&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

If you think its natural, watch this video.

So ghoti does not think climate change is normal or natural, there are so many i don't need to prove anything.

Considering the planet is 4 billion years old i wonder to myself how anyone can know the climate change is not right and totally strange. We just don't know much like the people who thought earth was flat. they went along with what they knew and what they could see. Of course what they were told, some didn't believe because they used their brains and thought there could be other possibilities but many people don't have that capacity.
 
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w1z4rd

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So ghoti does not think climate change is normal or natural, there are so many i don't need to prove anything.

1) What you quoted does not backup the lie you told me about which is: "You have said time and again there has never been rapid climate change, don't come with your lies.."
2) I did not say "does not think climate change is normal or natural", I said, "For those of you that think that the climate change we are experincing is a natural normal event"

Like scientists I know you get many different types of climate change. The one WE ARE experiencing is the result of increased CO2 and is not natural. That says nothing about past or future events, just the current one.

So many lies, so little time.
 

porchrat

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I'd much rather have them do something now then leave it and in 100 years time everybody is fscked.
Sure but I want to know exactly how much it is going to cost me and why it should be my cost. Politicians have a horrible habit in this country of being corrupt little freaks and so I don't simply give them the benefit of the doubt.

I won't accept nothing but "It's bad" as a reason to pay another tax. I doubt any sane person would.
 

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Sure but I want to know exactly how much it is going to cost me and why it should be my cost. Politicians have a horrible habit in this country of being corrupt little freaks and so I don't simply give them the benefit of the doubt.

I won't accept nothing but "It's bad" as a reason to pay another tax. I doubt any sane person would.

Dear Porchrat, if I understand your post, you don't have an issue with Climate Change and the need for action in reducing the ammount of CO2 we pump into the air, your beef is with the Carbon Tax portion of it?

And with that I can agree with you to an extent.

However, I think there are numerous valid reasons behind the carbon tax.

First of all, we need to get all humans to pull together to stop wasting our limited resources.
So what means do we have to accomplish this?

Social conscience would simply not work. Humans are selfish and who (except the really dedicated) wants to give up their nice lifestyle?

So, there needs to be another way to get people thinking and moving in the 'desired' way.

The only viable means is via governments creating laws which will 'force' people to rethink their extravagant ways of using a limited supply, and the only real means they have of affecting that change is by taxing.

No one likes taxes. Everyone would want to do something to pay less tax. If that means investing in energy efficient systems, then most people would do that. If most people only buy energy efficient appliances and vehicles, then manufacturers would be forced to comply with that demand.

Tax energy inefficient appliances more so that people are incentivized (sp?) to buy the better type.

What else would be accomplished by carbon tax?

Hopefully developed countries, which have 'more' financial resources to accelerate the R&D and implementation of better technology by using energy efficient systems will do their bit. It is a fact that the developing world is going to use more natural resources as part of their effort to uplift their citizens. If that would be added to the current rate of emissions, then it would lead to humans hitting the brick wall much earlier. - Either running out of resources (more likely) or climate catastrophe (less likely).

When we need less resources or even the same amount we consume now, then our limited resources would last longer than if we accelerated it's use worldwide. Yes, there are still a lot of coal and oil in the ground, but we as a civilization needs to think ahead about future generations.

Now the counter argument is that governments will simply waste the money recovered on useless projects.
I don't have an answer to that. It would depend on the citizens in each countries to 'police' what that carbon tax is used for. Some countries would be able to do that, I'm afraid that others with not such responsible governments would have a harder time.

But I ask you. What else can we do? Ignoring the problem is not going to make it go away. Wishful thinking that technology would save us is gambling with our future. How can we make people see the need to stop wasting what limited resources we have?
 

porchrat

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Dear Porchrat, if I understand your post, you don't have an issue with Climate Change and the need for action in reducing the ammount of CO2 we pump into the air, your beef is with the Carbon Tax portion of it?
No I was just responding to the post saying surely simply going "it's bad" is enough. I don't have a problem with the principle of a carbon tax it just needs to be based on more than "it's bad". Please guys keep my response in context.

I also fear from experience that the money from a carbon tax won't actually go to cleaning up the environment but instead will just end up in a minister's trust fund somewhere. That isn't a beef with a carbon tax in particular that is more a beef with our government in general.
 

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1) What you quoted does not backup the lie you told me about which is: "You have said time and again there has never been rapid climate change, don't come with your lies.."
2) I did not say "does not think climate change is normal or natural", I said, "For those of you that think that the climate change we are experincing is a natural normal event"

Like scientists I know you get many different types of climate change. The one WE ARE experiencing is the result of increased CO2 and is not natural. That says nothing about past or future events, just the current one.

So many lies, so little time.

No point debating with rude twits. Just put him on ignore.
 

w1z4rd

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No point debating with rude twits. Just put him on ignore.

Yeah, the thing is that people build up a perception based on his lies. If I dont deal with his lies, then people start believing them. Ive met some people in real life who thought I was going to be raving pinkie commie and did not realize I had pretty level headed mainstream politics. All of this because people sometimes believe the lies and strawmans, and eventually start thinking the strawman arguments are my official positions. Its bizarre, but Ive noticed it does happen :/ So I need to call liars out on their lies like I did killa, or some people might believe the BS he speaks.
 
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