State of global climate

[porchrat]

So ghoti does not think climate change is normal or natural, there are so many i don't need to prove anything.

Considering the planet is 4 billion years old i wonder to myself how anyone can know the climate change is not right and totally strange. We just don't know much like the people who thought earth was flat. they went along with what they knew and what they could see. Of course what they were told, some didn't believe because they used their brains and thought there could be other possibilities but many people don't have that capacity.

He very clearly says "that we are experiencing". We could not have experienced climate change stretching back 4 billion years and so you cannot argue that his comment has to do with climate change stretching back 4 billion years. A high school child can see that.

Heck I could probably get the concept across to an eight year old. :erm:

Considering that, surely you must realise that nobody is going to buy the weightless argument you have attempted to provide here and that it is just going to harm your credibility. At that point why even try it?... just apologise and retract the statement if you can't back it up. At least salvage some sort of dignity from this instead of embarassing yourself further.

When you do this you frankly just come across as unhinged and unreliable as empirex is.

 

[killadoob]

He very clearly says "that we are experiencing". We could not have experienced climate change stretching back 4 billion years and so you cannot argue that his comment has to do with climate change stretching back 4 billion years. A high school child can see that.

Heck I could probably get the concept across to an eight year old. :erm:

Considering that, surely you must realise that nobody is going to buy the weightless argument you have attempted to provide here and that it is just going to harm your credibility. At that point why even try it?... just apologise and retract the statement if you can't back it up. At least salvage some sort of dignity from this instead of embarassing yourself further.

I backed it up firstly. Ghoti is like one of those brain washed cult people, you don't seem like that

secondly do you really believe we are the only reason the climate is changing? do you think there is anything but humanity that is driving climate change?

Do you believe the sun has little to no effect on our planet at all? are people that stupid or am i? hmmmm go for it gents .

 

[porchrat]

I backed it up firstly.

As I pointed out there is a fatal hole in your argument. It is obvious that ghoti wasn't referring to climate change throughout the entire 4.5 billion years odd history of our planet as he clearly mentioned that he was referring to climate change that we as humans are experiencing. Lets be serious here, you aren't stupid. You must have noticed that your argument surrounding that quote was a serious misrepresentation of what was being said. Why did you even try to slip that past your readers.

As one of those readers I find just the thought that you might think I might not have noticed the misrepresentation to be insulting. It makes me feel like you think I am not just stupid in the conventional sense but that I have the cognitive faculties of something like a chimpanzee that gets mocked by all the other chimpanzees for being particularly dimwitted.

Ghoti is like one of those brain washed cult people, you don't seem like that

secondly do you really believe we are the only reason the climate is changing? do you think there is anything but humanity that is driving climate change?

I don't really have any opinion on climate change because I don't consider myself even close to knowledgeable enough to have an opinion and I don't care enough to develop my knowledge on the subject. I would rather spend my time reading up on topics I have more interest in. I reckon the experts have it covered regardless of whether or not I am knowledgeable and that is good enough for me for the moment.

Do you believe the sun has little to no effect on our planet at all? are people that stupid or am i? hmmmm go for it gents .

The sun has plenty of effect on our planet. Without it we wouldn't be here talking on computers, catalysing the crap out of billions if not trillions of biochemical reactions within our own bodies as I type this and just generally having a hell of a time burning the fsck through an energy source that from my perspective might as well be limitless.

 

[killadoob]

exactly porch so in the 4 billion years have we documented everything? no


What do we know about the sun and the earth? can the sun cause sudden rises and decreases in climate activity? according to ghoti no the sun cannot change our climate rapidly and i can quote this about 100 times which i will do if needed.

 

[porchrat]

exactly porch so in the 4 billion years have we documented everything? no

IMO that has little to nothing to do with, and does not excuse, your misrepresentation.

What do we know about the sun and the earth? can the sun cause sudden rises and decreases in climate activity? according to ghoti no it the sun cannot change out climate rapidly and i can quote this about 100 times which i will do if needed.

You have been asked to support that statement and that last quote certainly didn't support your claim. As it was you that made the claim it is you that bears the burden of proof here so it would be, IMO, in the spirit of civil and honest discussion to support your claim with at least one relevant quote.

 

[killadoob]

fk ghoti he knows what he believes, cult figure of note. church fo man made climate change

 

[rwenzori]

fk ghoti he knows what he believes, cult figure of note. church fo man made climate change

If inarticulate mumblings and insults are all you can manage in response to this thread, why don't you go off and find one more appropriate outside of NS?

 

[porchrat]

fk ghoti he knows what he believes, cult figure of note. church fo man made climate change

Correct me if I am wrong here but I don't see any quotes supporting your accusation.

This despite your claims that there are hundreds of examples. Your credibility is not looking good.

 

[Humberto]

Do you think global warming can be reversed by suspending a very large reflective screen in very high orbit around the Earth to block out a small amount of heat from the sun?

 

[Unhappy438]

Do you think global warming can be reversed by suspending a very large reflective screen in very high orbit around the Earth to block out a small amount of heat from the sun?

It would probably be cheaper and easier to just use green energy.

 

[BCO]

I've been away for nearly a year, but I see some things haven't changed.

 

[CommonSense]

It would probably be cheaper and easier to just use green energy.

I'm afraid 'green' energy will not be the only solution.

We need better technology which uses less energy.
Then we need a combination of renewable energy as well as something like Safe Nuclear energy.
See this link for a video on the subject explaining why green energy alone is not our salvation.

Nuclear waste could be stored until we find a way to recycle it. Newer reactors are much more efficient as well.

 

[Unhappy438]

I'm afraid 'green' energy will not be the only solution.

We need better technology which uses less energy.
Then we need a combination of renewable energy as well as something like Safe Nuclear energy.
See this link for a video on the subject explaining why green energy alone is not our salvation.

Nuclear waste could be stored until we find a way to recycle it. Newer reactors are much more efficient as well.

Whilst i agree that green energy is not the be all and end all. It is however a start and its what we should be concentrating on, not reflective screens in space.

PS nice TED talks thread. Although i feel they sometimes use it as an advertisement platform i have a couple videos to add to your thread .

 

[CommonSense]

Whilst i agree that green energy is not the be all and end all. It is however a start and its what we should be concentrating on, not reflective screens in space.

PS nice TED talks thread. Although i feel they sometimes use it as an advertisement platform i have a couple videos to add to your thread .

Yeah. The reflective screens in space is an idea from a mad scientist.

 

[Grant]

Do you think global warming can be reversed by suspending a very large reflective screen in very high orbit around the Earth to block out a small amount of heat from the sun?

hehe, i cannot shake the image of one of those pics you see with a grinning planet earth wearing a huge pair of sunglasses !!

 

[CommonSense]

Please watch this video

It deals with various issues which some Climate Change deniers regularly use and shoots them out of the water.
Porchrat, this also includes how Carbon Tax is supposed to work.


James Hansen - Why I must speak out about climate change

Sorry, I don't know if this is going to work. I want to post the video here, but I will also provide a link:
I'll try (and if it doesn't work, then if someone can teach me how to do this, then I would be grateful).

<iframe src="http://embed.ted.com/talks/sarah_parcak_archeology_from_space.html" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe>

[video=youtube]http://embed.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_why_i_must_speak_out_about_climate_change.html[/video]

Well, that didn't work But the link at the top does

 

[Nod]

New data released 28.11.2012:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/29/wmo_global_temp_figures_2012_doha_ninth_hottest/

The official position of the climate establishment is that global warming is still definitely on and the flat temperatures seen for the last 14 years or so are just a statistical fluke of the sort to be expected when trying to measure such a vast and noisy signal as world temperatures with such precision. (The global warming since 1950 is assessed as just half a degree, a difficult thing to pick out when temperatures everywhere go up and down by many degrees every day and even more over a year.)

That said, there is now some admission even from the hardest climate hardliners that something may be going on which is not understood. Dr Peter Stott of the Met Office, head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution, had this to say while announcing the 2012-so-far-number:

"We are investigating why the temperature rise at the surface has slowed in recent years, including how ocean heat content changes and the effects of aerosols from atmospheric pollution may have influenced global climate."

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2012/global-temperatures-2012

Using information to October from three leading global temperature datasets, including HadCRUT4 compiled by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia, the WMO say the current 2012 global average temperature is 14.45 °C. This is 0.45 ± 0.10 °C above the 1961-1990 average.

Taking into account the range of uncertainty in observing global surface temperature, scientists from the Met Office suggest that 2012 is very likely to be between the 4th and 14th warmest year in a record dating back to 1850.

Due to a La Niña through the first part of the year, 2012 is shaping up to be cooler than the average for the past decade.

 

[killadoob]

Another nail goes in.

So basically they have no idea and they are guessing while using a scam to make money hahaha

 

[porchrat]

Another nail goes in.

So basically they have no idea and they are guessing while using a scam to make money hahaha

Oh good you are back and can now respond to this:

Correct me if I am wrong here but I don't see any quotes supporting your accusation.

 

[CommonSense]

Another nail goes in.

So basically they have no idea and they are guessing while using a scam to make money hahaha

Sorry killa,

I fail to see why you would say another nail goes in.
To what exactly are you referring in which post?

I am certain you cannot be referring to the video link in my post, so I assume it is to Nod's post? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But Nod's post contains the following:

"We are investigating why the temperature rise at the surface has slowed in recent years, including how ocean heat content changes and the effects of aerosols from atmospheric pollution may have influenced global climate."

To me at least that does not disprove Climate change. It just says that they are investigating further. That is how science works. If new data comes to light, you investigate what is happening and why and improve the theory to refine it.

Climate change will not happen in a couple of years. We are talking decades here for the effect to become severe. But there seems to be a trend when one investigates on a timescale of hundreds of thousands of years.