Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people

[flippakitten]

Granted I cant speak for New Zealand, but for the UK and Europe I would say one is lying if you claim you can get a big property for cheap, especially nearer the major centers

Have you tried to rent a Property in Cape Town city center recently?

edit: That being said, it is more expensive in the 1st world in general but CT is pretty much ranking in price these days.

 

[creeper]

These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.

And your standard of living in SA is going up or is stabler? Higher tax for less benefit. Inflation increases above salaries, therefore less money to spend. Food inflation is about 10%. From reliable electricity to loadshedding. Crime going up, increasing your insurance premiums. The point is. You are becoming poorer and your standard of living is decreasing. Been happening slowly the past 10 years.

The only valid point is the person should do his homework. Financial, cultural and personal pros and cons should be compared.

 

[Tokolotshe]

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/young-south-africans-speak-why-we-are-leaving-the-country-20190426

Young South Africans speak: Why we are leaving the country

Earlier this month, President Cyril Ramaphosa called on young South Africans not to leave the country and for those who have already left to come back and contribute to growing South Africa.

News24 asked young people to send to us their reasons for leaving and what would have to be different for them to return to South Africa, or not leave at all. The response was overwhelming. We chose 15 of the letters we received to showcase the plight of the youth.

Click on the link below each to read the full letters.
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The views are from all walks of young South Africans, Black, Brown and White.

 

[John Tempus]

You can only BS citizens for so many years before the capable citizens from all walks of life see through the bullshit and make decisions that could actually improve their lives. These solutions more and more turns out to be outside of South Africa. The result of this is that ultimately the weak/useless/want everything for free society remains in the country with no one actually around to pay for their free ****.

That is pretty much the only reason Ramaphosa is making this call for South Africans to not leave. They need free money from someone and the free money is not coming out of the pockets of those who remain in this country as time goes by.

 

[Vrotappel]

Young people say FU CR.

 

[ponder]

Granted I cant speak for New Zealand, but for the UK and Europe I would say one is lying if you claim you can get a big property for cheap, especially nearer the major centers

It's all relative, there are eu countries that are way cheaper than others if you're willing to live in say romania, croatia, greece, montenegro, malta, portugal etc

 

[alloytoo]

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz?

I have, every day at work.

Living standard is lower!

Not according to the Mercer Quality of life survey, Auckland is the 3rd most desirable city in the world. (and the rest of NZ is much nicer.

You stay in smaller houses,

Like any country this depends on where you want to live.

struggle to afford a car, never mind two.

Funny, we have three. New Zealand has access to very reasonable second hand vehicles from Japan. Huge range at reasonable prices.

Healthy eating is super expensive.

The opposite really, it's cheaper to eat healthy than most takeaways, and there is a far wider choice on offer.

and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.

but much lower murder rate.

I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.

Thankfully I did.

NZ is what you make of it.

 

[Milano]

CR was merely pulling the wool. Obviously we know there are no high level or even low level meetings taking place to introduce any viable meaningful policies which would offer any chance of successfully encouraging young professionals of any race to remain in SA.

In terms of policy SA remains steadfastly dedicated to growth policies which in fact continue to undermine opportunities for economic growth, reduce investor confidence, further erode local business confidence - while offering a dismal, negative outlook for any young professionals looking forward.

The reality is very far removed from his cheap one-liners. One does not need one or twenty more election cycles to know that any optimism will be dealt a death blow by way of the endless astonishing policies that punish those who grow an economy in favour of strengthening those who undermine an economy.

 

[alloytoo]

10 years ago when I arrived in NZ I was asked

"What took you so long?"

What's taking you so long?


Edit to add:

Please take Robojedi's advice, ask an expat.

 

[krycor]

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/young-south-africans-speak-why-we-are-leaving-the-country-20190426



The views are from all walks of young South Africans, Black, Brown and White.

More professionals of color leave because when you do the maths, it’s not worth it. Personally I’d be gone as soon as I got position elsewhere but niche skills are always limiting albeit you don’t study to be niche.

Seems like I fight for opportunities locally and then realize it’s niche, then fight for more opportunities to show I’m capable with non-niche skills too (in a dying market that’s fun) so that I can get better opportunities. Fun world world we live in hey, real hamster wheel the tech sector is but such is life globally I guess.

 

[rietrot]

This article is racist. What's so special about young white South Africans that they need to stay.

 

[TelkomUseless]

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/young-south-africans-speak-why-we-are-leaving-the-country-20190426



The views are from all walks of young South Africans, Black, Brown and White.

CR / ANC just doing some lip service (please stay story).

ANC doesn't care about any people... #LiveWithit! #DealWithIt

 

[alloytoo]

BTW.

Any Civil, water, urban design or landscape Engineers of any hue are welcome to PM if they're considering a move to New Zealand.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Please take Robojedi's advice, ask an expat.

with all the expat forums around are there any that stand out in terms of ZA expats giving NZ advice?

 

[alloytoo]

with all the expat forums around are there any that stand out in terms of ZA expats giving NZ advice?

Don't really frequent such things but you're welcome to ask me.

 

[genetic]

Was at home affairs last week. About 30 people in unabridged line. I spoke to 12 or so. All of them are in the process of emigrating.

Into the hollow earth?

 

[Stephen]

Was at home affairs last week. About 30 people in unabridged line. I spoke to 12 or so. All of them are in the process of emigrating.

Cool story bro.

I was at home affairs and there were none

 

[SmartKit]

Granted I cant speak for New Zealand, but for the UK and Europe I would say one is lying if you claim you can get a big property for cheap, especially nearer the major centers

You are overlooking the much lower interest rate. This allows you to purchase more expensive properties with similar or lower repayments.

 

[saffakanera]

Youth Development Scheme = No whites please, on what fkn planet is this OK?

If you are capable and skilled, get out, stop contributing to this system, YOU are the problem, NOT the ANC.

 

[SmartKit]

All valid and good reasons to base your decision on.

With regards to the excuse, that's not an excuse, it's part of the process of emigrating.
It's a huge financial decision so if you do take it, you go in 100%. Cancel everything...
DSTV,
drop medical aid to a hospital plan,
no more Nescafe classic, it's ricoffee all the way.
Ditch the cellphone contracts,
scale down your car or only have one car if possible.

You don't have to do all those things and they're just ideas but if your goal is to leave you have to do everything you can. You'll soon see money starts to seem irrelevant once you start adding everything up.

With packages in NZ and Aus you can easily cancel DSTV - you just need Netflix and a small sports package.

If you're a permanent resident you don't have to worry about medical!

I only grind my own beans ;-)

On average the cars, or at least repayments are less than SA. But on this I agree - maybe two Polos instead of a Fortuner and RAV4?