Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people

[SmartKit]

1. What on earth are you talking about, sorry kids, you can play outside?
2. That was true 10 years ago, not today! https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php eating is expensive if you're thinking in rands
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate We won't even talk about drugs, South Africa is absolutely rampant with drugs.

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If anything, this is an advert for the benefits of smoking marijuana!

 

[BBSA]

Granted I cant speak for New Zealand, but for the UK and Europe I would say one is lying if you claim you can get a big property for cheap, especially nearer the major centers

You must look at what percentage of your salary you spend on your bond. Salaries are much higher, and interest rates are much lower.

 

[Aghori]

Ramapussa is smoking some strong zol. Why the **** would young whites want to stay here when the government discriminates against them?

 

[Lord Farquart]

You are overlooking the much lower interest rate. This allows you to purchase more expensive properties with similar or lower repayments.

Yup, signed my bond papers last night. Interest rate of 1,49% fixed. @Stephen, keep on telling yourself.

 

[SmartKit]

Yup, signed my bond papers last night. Interest rate of 1,49% fixed. @Stephen, keep on telling yourself.

Yep, we can afford a property worth twice the value of our current house.

Keeping in mind we stay in a super secure complex in a boomed area - we will be looking at an upgrade to a property 5 times the size. And you know why? High security is no longer a priority! We can live anywhere we want. There is no way we would stay on a plot in this country.

 

[Stephen]

. @Stephen, keep on telling yourself.

Uh oh. internet tough guy alert. Better watch myself. The harder he types the tougher he gets.

 

[SmartKit]

Uh oh. internet tough guy alert. Better watch myself. The harder he types the tougher he gets.

Don't feel so hard done by @Stephen, @Lord Farquart does have a fairly unique perspective - you're putting him down in spite of that.

 

[vigras rojara]

Was at home affairs last week. About 30 people in unabridged line. I spoke to 12 or so. All of them are in the process of emigrating.

How did you keep your place in the queue while you were interrogating them?

 

[aleksandar]

How did you keep your place in the queue while you were interrogating them?

Just to reply since I recently had pleasure of visiting home affairs.
Actually you get numbers that you hold until your batch is invited so you have plenty of time to chat to people while you are waiting, especially when system goes down (happened twice to us while applying and picking up).
Met bunch of nice people, there is not much to do while you are there so you chat to everybody.
Personally I did not ask people what their visit was for but people were generally complaining about service.

 

[vigras rojara]

Just to reply since I recently had pleasure of visiting home affairs.
Actually you get numbers that you hold until your batch is invited so you have plenty of time to chat to people while you are waiting, especially when system goes down (happened twice to us while applying and picking up).
Met bunch of nice people, there is not much to do while you are there so you chat to everybody.
Personally I did not ask people what their visit was for but people were generally complaining about service.

Yup, me too. Had to go and sign as second parental consent so that my son could get his passport.

Chatted to a couple of people seated next to me, but certainly didn't ask them what they were doing there. Would have been a bit odd.

 

[aleksandar]

Yup, me too. Had to go and sign as second parental consent so that my son could get his passport.

Chatted to a couple of people seated next to me, but certainly didn't ask them what they were doing there. Would have been a bit odd.

Well we all have different levels of chattiness, my wife thinks that I talk to much in those situations.

When applying you could hear few key words like Canada and UK (I would say parents in early 40's).

In our circle of acquaintances/friends there is undeniable truth that many are actively looking at leaving SA and may left already.
Color is not factor, from black doctors to Indian engineers to white estate agents (mine left to US).
Just last week family that would be great asset to any country left.

It is not only young but established people with experience that this country desperately needs.
As I said before over 40 years of age ESKOM engineers that I know were snapped up within month of their resignation.

I'm not a guy that likes to see place burn but Huston we have a serious problem!!

 

[TheChamp]

How did you keep your place in the queue while you were interrogating them?

 

[TheChamp]

Yup, me too. Had to go and sign as second parental consent so that my son could get his passport.

Chatted to a couple of people seated next to me, but certainly didn't ask them what they were doing there. Would have been a bit odd.

Asking a couple next to you would be be fine, going around asking a whole bunch of people would indeed be odd.

 

[aleksandar]

Asking a couple next to you would be be fine, going around asking a whole bunch of people would indeed be odd.

Not necessarily, you have first queue when you gather out, then you get your numbers.
After that you are freely roaming around also we ended up with different people around as we were moving from one station to the other (initial desk check, bio-metrics, data capture, payment) .
I even ended up making faces to cheer up one small baby.
Collection was much quicker, again batches of people so I only chatted to two.

This is all besides main point that as it stands SA does not give much hope for any color skilled person.

 

[samuelp]

Well we all have different levels of chattiness, my wife thinks that I talk to much in those situations.

When applying you could hear few key words like Canada and UK (I would say parents in early 40's).

In our circle of acquaintances/friends there is undeniable truth that many are actively looking at leaving SA and may left already.
Color is not factor, from black doctors to Indian engineers to white estate agents (mine left to US).
Just last week family that would be great asset to any country left.

It is not only young but established people with experience that this country desperately needs.
As I said before over 40 years of age ESKOM engineers that I know were snapped up within month of their resignation.

I'm not a guy that likes to see place burn but Huston we have a serious problem!!

I somewhat agree with your post. There are many doomsayers here, what young people are looking for is opportunity. Take a look at Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia... These countries suffer a lot from emigration. Most of them go to Germany or the UK. They can earn a lot more there. This applies also to South African.

I have South African relatives who spend years in Dubai, UK or even Australia and came back to SA. Thanks to the money they earned they bought a big mansion in the Garden Route area.

If you move, don't do that based on emotions. That should be a wise, calculated move. The UK is definitely not paradise, many unsafe areas, crime rampant, acid attacks from Pakistani gangs. People tend to be very cold there.

By the way, most of the emigrants from SA are now from the Black middle class, many of them go to Mozambique, Angola and around for greener pasture. I would say 50% emigrant from South Africa are Black people middle class. That's a little bit unfortunate as the country needs them, but as I said : people only look for better opportunities...

 

[creeper]

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If you move, don't do that based on emotions. That should be a wise, calculated move. The UK is definitely not paradise, many unsafe areas, crime rampant, acid attacks from Pakistani gangs. People tend to be very cold there.

Exactly. It should’ve be calculated and strategic. Meaning, that emigrating isn’t just one decision, but interrelated decisions and that should give you a better financial and non-financial benefits than you have now, in the long term.

Many people emigrate without understanding the decision, the impact and the pros and cons. People get seduced about what they hear, and follow it blindly, creating a fairytale image that gets broken only after emigrating.

 

[flippakitten]

With packages in NZ and Aus you can easily cancel DSTV - you just need Netflix and a small sports package.

If you're a permanent resident you don't have to worry about medical!

I only grind my own beans ;-)

On average the cars, or at least repayments are less than SA. But on this I agree - maybe two Polos instead of a Fortuner and RAV4?

I was more commenting on how to get the funds together to emigrate initially.

If one decides to move, you have to give up those creature comforts instead of sitting round saying "I would move but I can't afford it".

It's only between R80 000 and R150 000, you'd be surprised how quickly you could save that up if you really wanted to.

 

[alloytoo]

I got another internal email with a list of positions looking for civil engineer in the fields of water, networks, transport, precinct design, planning etc.

You're welcome to PM for contact information for our recruiting team. (Roles in NZ BTW)

 

[airborne]

I was more commenting on how to get the funds together to emigrate initially.

If one decides to move, you have to give up those creature comforts instead of sitting round saying "I would move but I can't afford it".

It's only between R80 000 and R150 000, you'd be surprised how quickly you could save that up if you really wanted to.

Is the R80-150k you are referring to the amount needed to fund the moving portion of emigrating, the paperwork/flights/shipping to get you and your belongings legally into a foreign country?

 

[noxibox]

Is the R80-150k you are referring to the amount needed to fund the moving portion of emigrating, the paperwork/flights/shipping to get you and your belongings legally into a foreign country?

Should be enough to move a family. A lot more if you want to move to the UK. For that you'll need to add approximately R40,000 per person to pay towards NHS. That's upfront. It doesn't exempt you from the monthly contribution to the NHS that is based on and gets subtracted from your monthly salary.