Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people

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samuelp said:
I somewhat agree with your post. There are many doomsayers here, what young people are looking for is opportunity. Take a look at Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Slovakia... These countries suffer a lot from emigration. Most of them go to Germany or the UK. They can earn a lot more there. This applies also to South African.

I have South African relatives who spend years in Dubai, UK or even Australia and came back to SA. Thanks to the money they earned they bought a big mansion in the Garden Route area.

If you move, don't do that based on emotions. That should be a wise, calculated move. The UK is definitely not paradise, many unsafe areas, crime rampant, acid attacks from Pakistani gangs. People tend to be very cold there.

By the way, most of the emigrants from SA are now from the Black middle class, many of them go to Mozambique, Angola and around for greener pasture. I would say 50% emigrant from South Africa are Black people middle class. That's a little bit unfortunate as the country needs them, but as I said : people only look for better opportunities...
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Good post but one should not compare South Africa emigration issues with any EU countries. Bucharest is from Munich as Capetown is from Gauteng. Most emigrants within EU have strong ties to home. Huge sums of money get send or are directly taken to the country of origin. On the other hand, most South African white emigrants, leave for good. Especially the well educated, white youth. Ramaphosa has good reason to be concerned.
 
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phaktza said:
A bottom of the pile hospital plan with small savings is R2 000 a month. Over 5 years you're looking at approximately R140 000.

So NHS is still not looking that bad!
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Apparently the NHS isn't so great these days, long waits especially for specialists/specialised work and they will refuse to cover some "premium" diagnostics etc. The NHS is good especially relative to the current state of Sa government hospitals but it doesn't equate to the level of service and access to hospital facilities that a medical aid gets you in Sa.

NHS = wait in the queue. SA medical aid = some of the best hospital facilities at your disposal. Obviously within reason but I'm basing that off what medical aid pixies like Discovery Core and up offer.
 
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airborne said:
Apparently the NHS isn't so great these days, long waits especially for specialists/specialised work and they will refuse to cover some "premium" diagnostics etc. The NHS is good especially relative to the current state of Sa government hospitals but it doesn't equate to the level of service and access to hospital facilities that a medical aid gets you in Sa.

NHS = wait in the queue. SA medical aid = some of the best hospital facilities at your disposal. Obviously within reason but I'm basing that off what medical aid pixies like Discovery Core and up offer.
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Lady I know was refused a OP as it was high risk, had to pay out of her own pocket, at-least she can continue to live now as it was a success. NHS was ok with her just dying.
 
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Lady I know was refused a OP as it was high risk, had to pay out of her own pocket, at-least she can continue to live now as it was a success. NHS was ok with her just dying.
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I've heard similar things, State hospital albeit much better run and funded than here but still you have to dance to their fiddle. Not like here with medical aid, as long as its covered you call the shots. NHS apparently you often can't choose your doctor/surgeon etc, you have to go to the hospital/doctors/service providers mandated by your location. And it's always wait in the queue, not as long as in Sa State hospitals but I was surprised when I saw some people mentioning waiting months to see some specialists.

Granted having a failsafe like the NHS to catch you is awesome, not having medical aid in Sa there literally is no failsafe, you are screwed.
 
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Yes, stay in SA so that we, the "new members" can further break down your bit of spirit and dreams you might have left as well as demoralize you in every single way by enforcing our racist, entitled views onto you until you do exactly what we want, become our slave and earn the status of "fully transformed" to accepting our fakked up way of doing things. That will hopefully get the international philanthropists to see that we have now "reconciled" our differences after Apartheid, so they can keep sending us money for our continued looting. Just remember that we don't value your life, views or anything that would make you our equals here in SA. Basically just stay here, do our work and look white so that the lovely foreign people can be convinced of the fake cohesion here in the rainbow nation of SA and will continue to invest their money here.
 
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airborne said:
I've heard similar things, State hospital albeit much better run and funded than here but still you have to dance to their fiddle. Not like here with medical aid, as long as its covered you call the shots. NHS apparently you often can't choose your doctor/surgeon etc, you have to go to the hospital/doctors/service providers mandated by your location. And it's always wait in the queue, not as long as in Sa State hospitals but I was surprised when I saw some people mentioning waiting months to see some specialists.

Granted having a failsafe like the NHS to catch you is awesome, not having medical aid in Sa there literally is no failsafe, you are screwed.
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No National Health service is going to let you choose your doctors. GP maybe if you're picky but certainly not your surgeons and specialists.

Having been in the NZ NHS quite a bit lately I am coming to the opinion that the team approach may well be better, especially insofar as serious disease is concerned. I know that after whomever I see at my oncology appointment there will be a team review looking at my X-rays, Scans and bloodwork and discussing my condition. The system is also marvelously integrated, bloodwork from any test is accessable to my GP as well as my other specialists.

Appointments are also very organised, I get a letter in the post and text message two days before. 95% of the time appointments happen on time (including x-rays scans etc) unless of course there is an unforeseen emergency.

Aside from my GP fee ($25) and a perscription surcharge ($5) everything else is paid by the taxman.
 
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phaktza said:
A bottom of the pile hospital plan with small savings is R2 000 a month. Over 5 years you're looking at approximately R140 000.

So NHS is still not looking that bad!
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The monthly cost once working is not too bad, but that upfront cost is still a big hurdle for most people. It is the equivalent to your medical aid saying pay us five years of premiums, and now carry on paying us monthly too.

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Lady I know was refused a OP as it was high risk, had to pay out of her own pocket, at-least she can continue to live now as it was a success. NHS was ok with her just dying.
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The prioritisation also means that sometimes cancer patients can't get treatment because they're not considered sick enough to be bumped up the queue. I know people who've paid for a private doctor because they weren't sure how sick they were and were worried about waiting in the queue.

Equally you get medical aids in South Africa who will only pay for some older, cheaper, less effective cancer treatment, because they want to save money.

The point is not to run down any particular country's national health system, but simply to ensure that people know the facts of what it costs and the potential pitfalls. It is the same with housing. Houses are more expensive in the UK and even though interest rates are much lower most people are going to end up living in a much smaller house than they would in South Africa.

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No National Health service is going to let you choose your doctors. GP maybe if you're picky but certainly not your surgeons and specialists.

Having been in the NZ NHS quite a bit lately I am coming to the opinion that the team approach may well be better, especially insofar as serious disease is concerned. I know that after whomever I see at my oncology appointment there will be a team review looking at my X-rays, Scans and bloodwork and discussing my condition.
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Very often private hospitals in South Africa don't give a choice either. They have specific doctors they work with and patients just get assigned whoever is available. The doctors do consult with each other when considering treatment options though.
 
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Stop stealing everything, supporting corruption & start making the hard but necessary decisions to save this country: young white people urges Ramaphosa..

Or in Millenium-speak:

More begging? U srs bro? Smh, lol!
 
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RaptorSA said:
Take your olive branch, pluck the leaves from it... then use them to wipe your arse after you went and f***ed yourself.
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They wiped their arse on that olive branch then handed it to us thinking we are stupid enough to not notice. In their view SA is a good place for whites because blacks allow whites to be alive.
 
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