Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people

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Cosmik Debris

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Young whites can stay and build a totally different legacy to the one their forefathers built in this country, a positive one that their own offspring will enjoy and be proud of.

Nobody will ever be able to build what their forefathers did in 300 years after it took just 26 years to reduce SA from being the 18th biggest GDP in the world in 1994 with a GDP that was bigger than the GDP of the rest of Africa combined to the 35th biggest GDP in the world and the third biggest in Africa after Nigeria and Egypt in 2019.

There is just no recovery from that. The legacy of the ANC will be with you forever.
 
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Young whites can stay and build a totally different legacy to the one their forefathers built in this country, a positive one that their own offspring will enjoy and be proud of.
You have never said that until now. Until now, you have been happy seeing white people leave. In fact, I think you encouraged it in 1 post.
You forget that a LOT of tax payers will leave, with their young white kids too. There will be no future here for them. This is what you're not understanding at all. We, WE the tax payer WANT to build a future here. But people who constantly refer to us a settlers, colonialist etc. clearly don't. And they're making the institutions work against us. Higher taxes, more BBBEE, making it harder to get children into varsity, less opportunity to play sports etc. That's even before you factor in the violence and crime.
So saying young whites can stay is obtusive AND naive. THere will be no young white people to stay. If you don't get that or understand it, then there is no hope. You get them to stay by being inclusive. Hell, I grew up as a youngster in Apartheid and knew nothing about it. I matriculated in 1993. I wouldn't have supported it then as I wasn't raised too. I won't support it now. We explained it to our 2 young kids and they were horrified.
Yet, here we are looking for a better life for myself and my wife (we both have university degrees) and our 2 young kids so they can have a fair and inclusive life one day in the economics of a country. Where they will be welcomed and not seen as settlers. We want to be proud of this country and we want to build a legacy. Is that possible now...
THIS is the point you are missing so clearly. We feel daily that we are being pushed out by the likes of some members here who do not want us in this country. Long story short...where we go will benefit from my wife and my experience and degrees, and what my kids will become one day. Not RSA. And that my forum friend, is the sad thing you can't fathom out for yourself...
 

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So that their own kids can have it for free one day.

Doesn't work like that. When the owner goes the government gets most of what they had. Heard of capital gains tax, inheritance tax, transfer duties, rates and taxes? All payable on property by the kids. Most can't pay and have to sell to pay.

If you knew anything about inheritable wealth, you would know that for most people it lasts a maximum of 3 generations. For most, not even 2.

Poof! There goes your white privilege beliefs.
 

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*sigh*...you did ask him the question. Moving on...
Don't sigh and pause your moving on. He gave an explanation way before I entered the discussion, he responded to Dave trying to explain the confusion of blocking and ignoring that happened between you and Excalibur.

You can move on now.
 

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Don't sigh and pause your moving on. He gave an explanation way before I entered the discussion, he responded to Dave trying to explain the confusion of blocking and ignoring that happened between you and Excalibur.

You can move on now.
I moved on a few posts ago...now I've got to do so again.
 

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Because this forum is nothing but a game. I know it is central to your life. Why are you so scared to meet me?
Answer the questions asked of you first (from multiple posts actually). That says more of you than wanting to meet up in person. The latter being like the: Meet me in the changerooms at first break so we can sort this out.
In this country, who in their right mind would meet up with a complete stranger...
 

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Yet, here we are looking for a better life for myself and my wife (we both have university degrees) and our 2 young kids so they can have a fair and inclusive life one day in the economics of a country. Where they will be welcomed and not seen as settlers. We want to be proud of this country and we want to build a legacy. Is that possible now...

My son wanted a military career like I had when I was young. I was selected for and sent to university by the SADF. He had the perfect matric subjects for a military career, math, science, geography, history and languages. Good pass marks too. We applied to the SANDF a bit more than 20 years ago after his matric. The answer? He was not demographically representative of the population of South Africa and therefore rejected. No consideration of his subjects nor marks achieved. So someone without those skills got his place because of the colour of his skin.

So my son applied to the British Army. After presentation of his matric subjects and marks, an interview, fitness and medical tests he was given a letter of guaranteed employment. He served over ten years and saw the world. I missed him by a week in Singapore when I was there for work and he was on his way to Borneo for jungle training after being in Japan and China. He visited me in SA when they were training in Botswana and when they were training at Lohatla. I just missed him when I was working in Germany and Belgium when he was on his way to Italy to train their troops. I did manage to see him in London before he was deployed to Afghanistan while i was working in Scotland.

After his service he joined the Metropolitan Police and is now studying at university through them. The army is also paying for extra university studies as that is one of the benefits of his army service. He has bought a house with a garden near London and has a decent car.

When I look back now, I believe the best thing that could have happened to him was the rejection by the SANDF. In SA he would have been a second class citizen always sucking the hind teat for employment and a place at university. He would never have what he now has and would be worrying that it was going to be expropriated had he managed to have anything.

So Cyril, any good reasons he should have stayed in SA? And to The Champ and Ex Calibre, do you think he had white privilege?
 

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My son wanted a military career like I had when I was young. I was selected for and sent to university by the SADF. He had the perfect matric subjects for a military career, math, science, geography, history and languages. Good pass marks too. We applied to the SANDF a bit more than 20 years ago after his matric. The answer? He was not demographically representative of the population of South Africa and therefore rejected. No consideration of his subjects nor marks achieved. So someone without those skills got his place because of the colour of his skin.

So my son applied to the British Army. After presentation of his matric subjects and marks, an interview, fitness and medical tests he was given a letter of guaranteed employment. He served over ten years and saw the world. I missed him by a week in Singapore when I was there for work and he was on his way to Borneo for jungle training after being in Japan and China. He visited me in SA when they were training in Botswana and when they were training at Lohatla. I just missed him when I was working in Germany and Belgium when he was on his way to Italy to train their troops. I did manage to see him in London before he was deployed to Afghanistan while i was working in Scotland.

After his service he joined the Metropolitan Police and is now studying at university through them. The army is also paying for extra university studies as that is one of the benefits of his army service. He has bought a house with a garden near London and has a decent car.

When I look back now, I believe the best thing that could have happened to him was the rejection by the SANDF. In SA he would have been a second class citizen always sucking the hind teat for employment and a place at university. He would never have what he now has and would be worrying that it was going to be expropriated had he managed to have anything.

So Cyril, any good reasons he should have stayed in SA? And to The Champ and Ex Calibre, do you think he had white privilege?

Congrats, that's some achievement.
 
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