Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people

[Tokolotshe]

My son wanted a military career like I had when I was young. I was selected for and sent to university by the SADF. He had the perfect matric subjects for a military career, math, science, geography, history and languages. Good pass marks too. We applied to the SANDF a bit more than 20 years ago after his matric. The answer? He was not demographically representative of the population of South Africa and therefore rejected. No consideration of his subjects nor marks achieved. So someone without those skills got his place because of the colour of his skin.

So my son applied to the British Army. After presentation of his matric subjects and marks, an interview, fitness and medical tests he was given a letter of guaranteed employment. He served over ten years and saw the world. I missed him by a week in Singapore when I was there for work and he was on his way to Borneo for jungle training after being in Japan and China. He visited me in SA when they were training in Botswana and when they were training at Lohatla. I just missed him when I was working in Germany and Belgium when he was on his way to Italy to train their troops. I did manage to see him in London before he was deployed to Afghanistan while i was working in Scotland.

After his service he joined the Metropolitan Police and is now studying at university through them. The army is also paying for extra university studies as that is one of the benefits of his army service. He has bought a house with a garden near London and has a decent car.

When I look back now, I believe the best thing that could have happened to him was the rejection by the SANDF. In SA he would have been a second class citizen always sucking the hind teat for employment and a place at university. He would never have what he now has and would be worrying that it was going to be expropriated had he managed to have anything.

So Cyril, any good reasons he should have stayed in SA? And to The Champ and Ex Calibre, do you think he had white privilege?

The son of a friend of ours' wanted to become a pilot. Good marks etc. Rejected because of ... yep. His mom spent a small fortune and some to get him through flying lessons. Eventually she could no more. He applied to the French Foreign Legion. He is no longer a South African. He also got to do what he wanted to do and is excelling, flying anything with wings.

So yep, Cyril should find another nut to suck.

 

[Tokolotshe]

What possible enjoyment/enlightenment can come from meeting you?
Most reasonable people will actively avoid you as you are not likely to bring anything constructive into their existence.

This is Africa, we keep on trying what has been proven to not work.

 

[Excalibur]

What possible enjoyment/enlightenment can come from meeting you?
Most reasonable people will actively avoid you as you are not likely to bring anything constructive into their existence.

Did I ask to meet you?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Because this forum is nothing but a game. I know it is central to your life. Why are you so scared to meet me?

If this forum is but a game, there is no need to meet you. Go play with your own age.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Congrats, that's some achievement.

Agreed. Unfortunately some here will see it as white privilege.

 

[TheChamp]

My son wanted a military career like I had when I was young. I was selected for and sent to university by the SADF. He had the perfect matric subjects for a military career, math, science, geography, history and languages. Good pass marks too. We applied to the SANDF a bit more than 20 years ago after his matric. The answer? He was not demographically representative of the population of South Africa and therefore rejected. No consideration of his subjects nor marks achieved. So someone without those skills got his place because of the colour of his skin.

So my son applied to the British Army. After presentation of his matric subjects and marks, an interview, fitness and medical tests he was given a letter of guaranteed employment. He served over ten years and saw the world. I missed him by a week in Singapore when I was there for work and he was on his way to Borneo for jungle training after being in Japan and China. He visited me in SA when they were training in Botswana and when they were training at Lohatla. I just missed him when I was working in Germany and Belgium when he was on his way to Italy to train their troops. I did manage to see him in London before he was deployed to Afghanistan while i was working in Scotland.

After his service he joined the Metropolitan Police and is now studying at university through them. The army is also paying for extra university studies as that is one of the benefits of his army service. He has bought a house with a garden near London and has a decent car.

When I look back now, I believe the best thing that could have happened to him was the rejection by the SANDF. In SA he would have been a second class citizen always sucking the hind teat for employment and a place at university. He would never have what he now has and would be worrying that it was going to be expropriated had he managed to have anything.

So Cyril, any good reasons he should have stayed in SA? And to The Champ and Ex Calibre, do you think he had white privilege?

See, the problem is that you just assume there's no black child who got the same or better marks than your child, isn't that just wonderful?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Because this forum is nothing but a game. I know it is central to your life. Why are you so scared to meet me?

You know only what I let you know about me. Nothing else.

 

[Brenden_E]

Did I ask to meet you?

You displayed a complete lack of self-awareness of your character. I clarified it for you so that you can avoid making a similar embarrassing statement. Consider yourself informed.

 

[Jeeper]

See, the problem is that you just assume there's no black person child who got the same or better marks than your child, isn't that just wonderful?

Chances are good seeing that white people do not rely on their race but on their ability.

 

[TheChamp]

Agreed. Unfortunately some here will see it as white privilege.

No, I see it as good old fashioned white arrogance and airs of perceived superiority. Well done to your child but it's wrong to assume that he or she is the best thing that has ever been missed by the SANDF.

 

[Excalibur]

You displayed a complete lack of self-awareness of your character. I clarified it for you so that you can avoid making a similar embarrassing statement. Consider yourself informed.

Where do you enter into this conversation? I have never showed interest in meeting you.

 

[Excalibur]

You know only what I let you know about me. Nothing else.

Touche

 

[Excalibur]

If this forum is but a game, there is no need to meet you. Go play with your own age.

So why are so obsessed with me, following me from thread to thread across forum sections? Why don't you leave me alone with "my own age?"

 

[TheChamp]

Chances are good seeing that white people do not rely on their race but on their ability.

No, it's not complicated and we don't have to rely on chances, he knows his child's marks but he has no idea of the marks of whoever was selected, but just because they are black their marks has to be inferior to that of his white child, that's about it.

 

[Kodi]

See, the problem is that you just assume there's no black person child who got the same or better marks than your child, isn't that just wonderful?

I need to interject. The default position is this; no black person in this country can claim they are meritorious of an appointment. Not even one. The onus is on you to prove otherwise - Your laws, your burden.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The son of a friend of ours' wanted to become a pilot. Good marks etc. Rejected because of ... yep. His mom spent a small fortune and some to get him through flying lessons. Eventually she could no more. He applied to the French Foreign Legion. He is no longer a South African. He also got to do what he wanted to do and is excelling, flying anything with wings.

So yep, Cyril should find another nut to suck.

My son and daughter are also no longer South Africans. What loyalty do they owe to a country that treats them as second class citizens?

 

[Brenden_E]

Where do you enter into this conversation? I have never showed interest in meeting you.

If the forum (group discussion) game is to convey yourself as a dunce, well you aced it. From your mom's basement, nogal!

 

[TheChamp]

I need to interject. The default position is this; no black person in this country can claim they are meritorious of an appointment. Not even one. The onus is on you to prove otherwise - Your laws, your burden.

Good on any black person who feels they have to prove themselves to white people, it's a free country.

 

[Kodi]

Good on any black person who feels they have to prove themselves to white people, it's a free country.

Freedom is not the question.

 

[Bewlen]

No, it's not complicated and we don't have to rely on chances, he knows his child's marks but he has no idea of the marks of whoever was selected, but just because they are black their marks has to be inferior to that of his white child, that's about it.

Did you miss this part:

He was not demographically representative of the population of South Africa and therefore rejected.

Your arrogance seems to not fathom that this is an actual answer openly expressed to white people.