Sign up with GoogleIt is a no-brainer. Some think it is too late for them. Should have done this 10 yrs ago or 20 yrs ago. Not at all. “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.” ~ Chinese Proverb.
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Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people
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It is a no-brainer. Some think it is too late for them. Should have done this 10 yrs ago or 20 yrs ago. Not at all. “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.” ~ Chinese Proverb.
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Of those 15% some will always side with whatever the ANC spews. Like Ronnie Kasrils in that famous video with Mandela singing "Kill the whites"
Using tribals lines..
National and Provincial Rugby teams must comprise the following quotas; 5 Zulu, 2 Xhosa, 1 Sotho, 1 Tswana, 1 Pedi, with the remaining 5 spots shared among the Venda, Ndebele, Tsonga, Pondo, Swati and the newly recognised indigenous Chinese tribe.
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I can already see Cyril at his home with a glass of Moet listening to this song over and over again....
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They believe he is their anointed saviour? Can you believe all those high IQ people saying such strange things?
Lew Skannen
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Or simply scared he will come and expropriate their properties.
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That's an easy answer, there are three other minority groups to target. next in line are Indian's, then Coloured, lastly Chinese.
I've been watching the town hall debates and each and every party gets s**t on even the ACDP but the Cyril holds a Q&A and no one decides to grab the buffalo by the balls?
They are spineless, more than likely scared the government will target them if they have any criticisms.
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All I know is that in all my years so far being on this planet Ive noticed one of many profound things and one of them is this: What a politician says and what he does are two completely distinct and equally opposing forces like two polar opposite magnets. Its a force of nature they simply are unable to escape from much like gravity.
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Scared, spineless... those are the last words I ever thought would be used to describe farmers.
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As to answer mr pres... No.
My skills were exported 7 years ago because my skill level at the time meant the AA candidate, with far less experience than me, would always get the positions. Internationally if you're the right person for the position, you get the position.
Most importantly thought:
SHRC ruling meaning there is some sort of sliding scale for permitted racism which is purely at their discretion
Land theft
NHI
BEE/AA against the youth and only getting more laws added to try make up for the ANC's failings and theft.
Crime
Corruption on such massive scales that it's collapsed our power security
Free tertiary education
Talks about taking on private schooling
Constantly increasing taxes
My skills were exported 7 years ago because my skill level at the time meant the AA candidate, with far less experience than me, would always get the positions. Internationally if you're the right person for the position, you get the position.
Most importantly thought:
SHRC ruling meaning there is some sort of sliding scale for permitted racism which is purely at their discretion
Land theft
NHI
BEE/AA against the youth and only getting more laws added to try make up for the ANC's failings and theft.
Crime
Corruption on such massive scales that it's collapsed our power security
Free tertiary education
Talks about taking on private schooling
Constantly increasing taxes
R13...
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The only way SA will stabilise either on an upward trajectory or down is for the political environment and/or the endless cycles of chicken runs end. They will have to run their course unfortunately. The politicians are poking at **** that is a sure way to doom and won't stop until it blows up in their face as they refuse to listen to reason. The pessimists will stay pessimistic as long as their professed outcome isn't realised so the chicken run and capital flight will continue until they too realise their prophecies or see that they ain't happening
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BT is many things, high IQ is not one of those things. I so want to spill the beans but this industry is to small and everyone will know its me.
TheChamp
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Sure, don't blow your cover.BT is many things, high IQ is not one of those things. I so want to spill the beans but this industry is to small and everyone will know its me.
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So I am close on 40. Been hearing this message for the past 25 years. The end is near. Kind of bored of it now.
Yes the government is corrupt, so is a large percentage of the world. Yes they are incompetent, well so are a few other first world country governments (Aus, USA, England spring to mind). Fact of the matter is I have a great job, decent quality of life, great medical services, and my kids are getting a first rate education for R1K a month. My family lives close, and while I have lost a few friends overseas I really don't see any reason to panic and run just now.
Things always get so negative around election time. While I agree there is lots of room for improvement and some big problems to solve I don't think we are all as screwed as seems to be the prevailing mood on this forum of late. I have also visited several family and friends who relocated and despite the impression they try put out on facebook of idyllic life when I actually got there and saw I found them often a lot worse off than they were in SA and doing their best to hide it from those of us who stayed as it would show them up as hasty and perhaps foolish. Most are completely unable to retire due to cost of living in those countries. One mate who owned two properties and two cars fully paid off here is now in NZ and has given up on ever owning a house again, its just too expensive. Most are not fully accepted. The way we look at people from Nigeria and Congo in SA, is the way all those first world people look at us from SA. And crime is there too. My uncle was mugged in USA, aunt's car was broken into, another uncle was almost murdered by local thugs in England (no investigation even) so crime exists there too. Everyone I knew did not have local friends unless they were also immigrants. So all that green grass, is so green because of the manure. There are still problems over in all the places people want to flee to.
A while ago during yet another round of panic in SA I created an objective list of stuff I needed to stay in SA. That list is still fine and looks like this:
1. I am decently employed, and can continue to be so (my skills are scarce, not an issue)
2. Decent reasonably priced education available for my kids (yes, although a little concerned about universities)
3. Reasonable safety (the most subjective one, so far I am happy though. Secure complex, etc)
4. Access to first class medical care (My daughter has CF, if this is threatened in any way it is a huge issue. So far so good though)
5. Respect of property rights (If private land or property is expropriated without compensation no economy will survive. If they do it, I am gone)
So yes a few of the above are a little harder than they should be due to stuff like AA, government meddling in the medical space, and all the talk about EWC, but so far everything by and large is still working. I am not an idiot thinking it does not have the potential to collapse, and have back up plans, however the main plan is to stay. Also, I wander how many of you would be willing to put down say R1000 for all these certain predictions you are making about the way the country will go, and how much poorer you would be if you had been doing that for say 20 years.
Pessimists seldom make the world better, optimists do. Try be a bit more positive.
Yes the government is corrupt, so is a large percentage of the world. Yes they are incompetent, well so are a few other first world country governments (Aus, USA, England spring to mind). Fact of the matter is I have a great job, decent quality of life, great medical services, and my kids are getting a first rate education for R1K a month. My family lives close, and while I have lost a few friends overseas I really don't see any reason to panic and run just now.
Things always get so negative around election time. While I agree there is lots of room for improvement and some big problems to solve I don't think we are all as screwed as seems to be the prevailing mood on this forum of late. I have also visited several family and friends who relocated and despite the impression they try put out on facebook of idyllic life when I actually got there and saw I found them often a lot worse off than they were in SA and doing their best to hide it from those of us who stayed as it would show them up as hasty and perhaps foolish. Most are completely unable to retire due to cost of living in those countries. One mate who owned two properties and two cars fully paid off here is now in NZ and has given up on ever owning a house again, its just too expensive. Most are not fully accepted. The way we look at people from Nigeria and Congo in SA, is the way all those first world people look at us from SA. And crime is there too. My uncle was mugged in USA, aunt's car was broken into, another uncle was almost murdered by local thugs in England (no investigation even) so crime exists there too. Everyone I knew did not have local friends unless they were also immigrants. So all that green grass, is so green because of the manure. There are still problems over in all the places people want to flee to.
A while ago during yet another round of panic in SA I created an objective list of stuff I needed to stay in SA. That list is still fine and looks like this:
1. I am decently employed, and can continue to be so (my skills are scarce, not an issue)
2. Decent reasonably priced education available for my kids (yes, although a little concerned about universities)
3. Reasonable safety (the most subjective one, so far I am happy though. Secure complex, etc)
4. Access to first class medical care (My daughter has CF, if this is threatened in any way it is a huge issue. So far so good though)
5. Respect of property rights (If private land or property is expropriated without compensation no economy will survive. If they do it, I am gone)
So yes a few of the above are a little harder than they should be due to stuff like AA, government meddling in the medical space, and all the talk about EWC, but so far everything by and large is still working. I am not an idiot thinking it does not have the potential to collapse, and have back up plans, however the main plan is to stay. Also, I wander how many of you would be willing to put down say R1000 for all these certain predictions you are making about the way the country will go, and how much poorer you would be if you had been doing that for say 20 years.
Pessimists seldom make the world better, optimists do. Try be a bit more positive.
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I’m not stopping the search for other opportunities abroad as the ANC will change things post elections. They can sing kumbaya all they want but they will not allow high ranking members to go to jail and I am still of the opinion that CR will be kicked out one way or another.
Even if he stays.. is it worth risking the next 30-35yrs on? For me the answer is no and since spouse & kid is subjected to AA/BEE and Cpt isn’t an option there is no other thing to do but leave.
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