Stay in SA - Ramaphosa urges young white people

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TelkomUseless said:
Your replies here will be biased though. You asking employed people... and unemployed people won't be sitting here posting away. They will be out looking for jobs (or moved overseas) or on the streets begging for money, or in white squatter camps.
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I'm not working, does that mean I can't post comments, should I just say f this drowning ship? Would;d you give me money if I was begging?
 
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smi said:
I'm not working, does that mean I can't post comments, should I just say f this drowning ship? Would;d you give me money if I was begging?
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I give fck-all money to people begging. Those days are long gone...
 
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Without reading everything, we are looking at moving to New Zealand too. We made the choice after looking at the US of A, Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia too. Their culture and climate (on the north island) are very similar to ours.
Reason #1: My kids, their education, health and future. (*yes, NZ is directly under the hole in the Ozone)
Reason #2: Standard of living, even on the most basic residency/work visa level far outstrips South Africa. Now add that you do not have to pay for medical aid for kids below 16 or schooling, that saves a huge chunk of disposable income that covers the "higher cost of living" that the doom prophets keep bringing up.
Reason #3: My kids do not have to grow up in fear. We can let them grow up more freely. Here in SA, we do not even allow them to go in the streets alone. Burglar bars, alarms and 6 to 8ft walls are some things that do not exist in NZ. Yes, you get the loon that runs into a mosque guns blazing even in NZ, but per capita, they are much better off than over here in the Rainbow Nation where normal murder does not even make it to the crime stats anymore.

Excuse #1: Lacking the R18K for the Work Visa application, the R14K to 25K to get there in front of the potential employers. I can arrange to stay at family over there.
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All good reasons. Any reason you didn’t go for the Netherlands? Except the directness of the Dutch :).
 
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TelkomUseless said:
I give fck-all money to people begging. Those days are long gone...
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genetic said:
This. I don't give beggars f-all.
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Same and same. Giving to a beggar is like inviting the full might of the paparazzi harassment, give an inch and next thing they are asking for a pound of flesh and your left arm too. You become an easy target and this mofo will hunt you down like a tomahawk missile every time he sees you at that shop.

Mostly drugs makes them like this. Can't be hunger no way.
 
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jack_spratt said:
The issue is that you have to have AA BEE in place, otherwise a white person will take the job...

White people make up around 8% of the population. How can 8% be a threat to job placement?
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There's only enough jobs for 8% of the population, or the remainder don't want to work
 
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jacosmit said:
Without reading everything, we are looking at moving to New Zealand too. We made the choice after looking at the US of A, Canada, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia too. Their culture and climate (on the north island) are very similar to ours.
Reason #1: My kids, their education, health and future. (*yes, NZ is directly under the hole in the Ozone)
Reason #2: Standard of living, even on the most basic residency/work visa level far outstrips South Africa. Now add that you do not have to pay for medical aid for kids below 16 or schooling, that saves a huge chunk of disposable income that covers the "higher cost of living" that the doom prophets keep bringing up.
Reason #3: My kids do not have to grow up in fear. We can let them grow up more freely. Here in SA, we do not even allow them to go in the streets alone. Burglar bars, alarms and 6 to 8ft walls are some things that do not exist in NZ. Yes, you get the loon that runs into a mosque guns blazing even in NZ, but per capita, they are much better off than over here in the Rainbow Nation where normal murder does not even make it to the crime stats anymore.

Excuse #1: Lacking the R18K for the Work Visa application, the R14K to 25K to get there in front of the potential employers. I can arrange to stay at family over there.
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These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.
 
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These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.
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https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/new-zealand

Do some nrs on accommodation, bread, milk a big mac...
 
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RoboJedi said:
These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.
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Funny my anecdote says otherwise..
 
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RoboJedi said:
These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.
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None of this is true based on the feedback from my family, ex work colleagues, and friends that moved there, and none of them have any inclination of returning to SA.
 
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RoboJedi said:
These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.
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Nope. Friends went from dual income households to single income household, they now drive nicer cars and are better off than before. Kids are in good schools with way smaller classrooms. Eating out is expensive though and food not great, weather not as nice.
 
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RoboJedi said:
These reasons... why put that burden on your kids? I did this for you...

Nr 2 , have you actually spoken to ex sa people living in nz? Living standard is lower! You stay in smaller houses, struggle to afford a car, never mind two. Healthy eating is super expensive.

Nr 3, and the other dangers, suicide rate, drugs etc.


I don’t mind people leaving sa, but be honest as to why and if you plan on making such a move spend time talking to people who went and get honest feedback. It is not easy, it is not a better standard of living.
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1. What on earth are you talking about, sorry kids, you can play outside?
2. That was true 10 years ago, not today! https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php eating is expensive if you're thinking in rands
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate We won't even talk about drugs, South Africa is absolutely rampant with drugs.
 
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Eating out is expensive though and food not great, weather not as nice.
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I don't know hey, when did they leave?

Was doing a price comparison between Cape Town and NZ and a family of 4 each having a meal at Spur costs in the region of R700 - R900 depending on if both adults have 1 or two beers each. NZ came in a little cheaper. (I did this last year so can't remember the exact results)
 
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Granted I cant speak for New Zealand, but for the UK and Europe I would say one is lying if you claim you can get a big property for cheap, especially nearer the major centers
 
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