Stellenbosch University student's belongings urinated on in allegedly racist incident

[deesef]

Assume vs speculate...

Yep. Speculation only makes an ass of u...

 

[azbob]

In most cases I have witnessed, the ‘victim’ didn’t resort to violence. For the most part, the ‘victim’ doesn’t say anything which could better his or her situation.

I would think that someone having their things urinated on would find it difficult not to resort to violence.

 

[ForceFate]

Yep. Speculation only makes an ass of u...

Not the same mate.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I would think that someone having their things urinated on would find it difficult not to resort to violence.

I know someone who got peed on whilst he was sleeping, he was vocally mad, but cleaned up, and the next day cut ties with most people who were there that night. I didn’t witness it, though it is another drunkard case.

Someone once pissed in my water bottle at a rugby game, and the only reason I didn’t drink it was because the bottle was warm. I know who did that, later, and that person has ever since kept his distance. Actually there are two such incidents, one which is school related to a bus ride (also to a rugby game), and one already mentioned is varsity related.

 

[azbob]

I know someone who got peed on whilst he was sleeping, he was vocally mad, but cleaned up, and the next day cut ties with most people who were there that night. I didn’t witness it, though it is another drunkard case.

Someone once pissed in my water bottle at a rugby game, and the only reason I didn’t drink it was because the bottle was warm. I know who did that, later, and that person has ever since kept his distance. Actually there are two such incidents, one which is school related to a bus ride (also to a rugby game), and one already mentioned is varsity related.

So it is a “white boy thing” after all?

I would have smashed a vase on his head and claimed self-defense. “Officer, he came into my room and took out his penis. I didn’t know what he was going to do with it’ll

 

[Fulcrum29]

So it is a “white boy thing” after all?

I named three incident in that post, in two cases the perpetrator was related to the white ethnicity group.

I would have smashed a vase on his head and claimed self-defense. “Officer, he came into my room and took out his penis. I didn’t know what he was going to do with it’ll

Not all people behave the same. Human emotions are unique, circumstantially and situationally.

 

[Fulcrum29]

 

[airborne]

Why has the peeman not made a public statement of his side of the story?

It’s not a good look if he is innocent of it being a racist thing if he keeps quiet. If he did an interview and could honestly say it was just a horrible drunken mistake that probably wouldn’t stop the pitchfork crowds but it would definitely go a good way to putting some brakes on the situation.

As it is now it looks rather ominous that he’s keeping quite, that’s what a guilty person would do, stay low, try and limit any chance of incriminating themselves and leave it up to daddy’s lawyers to fix things in court.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Why has the peeman not made a public statement of his side of the story?

It’s not a good look if he is innocent of it being a racist thing if he keeps quiet. If he did an interview and could honestly say it was just a horrible drunken mistake that probably wouldn’t stop the pitchfork crowds but it would definitely go a good way to putting some brakes on the situation.

As it is now it looks rather ominous that he’s keeping quite, that’s what a guilty person would do, stay low, try and limit any chance of incriminating themselves and leave it up to daddy’s lawyers to fix things in court.

He already apologised at the residence, and personally to the victim as reported. Since a criminal case has been opened against him, it is best to stay quiet, especially when the matter is in the public interest. He will have his say at the university’s disciplinary hearings and with the police and the NPA. In the case the state is pursuing prosecution, then he can also have his say in court.

Anything being said now in an interview will be shredded apart by the public, not to mention being picked on by human rights organisations and advocates. Not to go on about whataboutism, but a recent American case had the same qualities, that which is being stressed.

 

[TheChamp]

Why has the peeman not made a public statement of his side of the story?

It’s not a good look if he is innocent of it being a racist thing if he keeps quiet. If he did an interview and could honestly say it was just a horrible drunken mistake that probably wouldn’t stop the pitchfork crowds but it would definitely go a good way to putting some brakes on the situation.

As it is now it looks rather ominous that he’s keeping quite, that’s what a guilty person would do, stay low, try and limit any chance of incriminating themselves and leave it up to daddy’s lawyers to fix things in court.

If there is a possibility of charges it would be very understandable that he would want to say as little as possible.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Matie pee scandal: Theuns du Toit’s best friend is black says his mentor

SOME students and those close to the Stellenbosch University perpetrator embroiled in the infamous pee scandal have come to his defence and denied that he was a racist.

www.iol.co.za

Matie pee scandal: Theuns du Toit’s best friend is black says his mentor​

Cape Town - SOME students and those close to the Stellenbosch University perpetrator embroiled in the infamous pee scandal have come to his defence and denied that he was a racist.

Calls for the first year law student Theuns du Toit to be expelled have intensified after he was suspended for allegedly urinating in fellow student Babalo Ndwayama’s room and on his belongings at Huis Marais residence last Sunday.

The Weekend Argus learnt that his father Rudi du Toit took him to the Stellenbosch police station on Friday.

Du Toit’s lawyer, William Fullard confirmed that his client was at the police station to meet with a detective.

“We are giving our full cooperation to SAPS,” he said.

He said Du Toit was given a warning that there was a case pending against him and they informed him of his constitutional rights.

Fullard said there was currently no word on a court appearance.

“I assume that they’re going to hand the docket over to the director of public prosecution, to make a decision regarding the way forward,” he said.

Police said no one has been arrested or charged as yet.

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Du Toit is a former pupil at the elite Worcester Gymnasium High School. Folk from his home town, Worcester, described him as a “quiet person” who had friends from different races.

“His best friend was a black boy in school,” said one of Du Toit’s mentors in the sporting fraternity at the school.

“When I read the reports, I refused to believe it. The person depicted in those reports is not the same person I knew,” said the mentor.

“He was a quiet person, he got along with fellow learners and was loved by his rugby team mates. On the rugby field he played as a loose-forward and embodied the ethos of playing hard and fair ,” he said.

When approached, the school authorities declined to comment.

Some pupils said Du Toit was a good rugby player who was loved by his team mates who were mostly black.

“He was inclusive as a player, had friends of colour. His team mates loved him and he loved them.”

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Du Toit, according to a fellow Huis Marais resident, could not remember the incident.

“I arrived at the hostel that morning (to find out) the news,” the student said.

“I ran to Theuns’ room and asked him, bra, what’s going on and he said he couldn’t remember because he was too drunk,” the student said.

The student also told the Weekend Argus that he then helped Du Toit to clean the mess, and thereafter everyone in the residence had to give statements.

Another Huis Marais resident said they were drinking on the Saturday evening. How Du Toit ended up in Babalo's room the next morning was a mystery.

A fellow law student who shared various classes with Du Toit said all hell broke loose on their student WhatsApp groups.

“Our first year law groups went berserk ... everybody started calling him a racist, traitor and a piece of s**t. Theuns eventually left the groups,” she said.

 

[s0lar]

Mountain, molehill. Meh, sensationalist nonsense.

 

[azbob]

Phew, I’m glad his best friend is black so it’s an open and shut case.

 

[airborne]

If there is a possibility of charges it would be very understandable that he would want to say as little as possible.

He already apologised at the residence, and personally to the victim as reported. Since a criminal case has been opened against him, it is best to stay quiet, especially when the matter is in the public interest. He will have his say at the university’s disciplinary hearings and with the police and the NPA. In the case the state is pursuing prosecution, then he can also have his say in court.

Anything being said now in an interview will be shredded apart by the public, not to mention being picked on by human rights organisations and advocates. Not to go on about whataboutism, but a recent American case had the same qualities, that which is being stressed.

He’s guilty of peeing on the dudes stuff, he was filmed, there’s no way to wiggle out of that. But if I was in his shoes and it was just a drunken mishap I would definitely want to make it clear that it was not racially motivated. I can’t see how stating that is going to prejudice him in court. Just come out and make a heartfelt apology, grovel a bit about how young and horribly dumb you are.
His apology to the residence was super lame, I haven’t seen any mention of him making a face to face apology to the dude he violated and no public statement either.

Because the fact is if he was just drunk then relatively speaking “nothing” happened, give a heartfelt apology, replace all the guys stuff that received a golden shower and do some penance work for 6 months, over. Dumb sht like this happens every day of the week, other than the potential racial aspect it’s nothing to write home about.

 

[Fulcrum29]

He’s guilty of peeing on the dudes stuff, he was filmed, there’s no way to wiggle out of that. But if I was in his shoes and it was just a drunken mishap I would definitely want to make it clear that it was not racially motivated. I can’t see how stating that is going to prejudice him in court. Just come out and make a heartfelt apology, grovel a bit about how young and horribly dumb you are.
His apology to the residence was super lame and I haven’t seen any mention of him making a face to face apology to the dude he violated.

Because the fact is if he was just drunk then relatively speaking “nothing” happened, give a heartfelt apology, replace all the guys stuff that received a golden shower and do some penance work for 6 months, over. Dumb sht like this happens every day of the week.

I am sorry to say, but the mob has already made that decision. I don't mean the word, "mob", in a bad context, but mobs have long had its roots in public perception. Nothing which Du Toit publicly state will change his circumstance, the matter is being heard by the relevant authorities where statements between the parties will be taken under consideration. The last thing he wants is his apology, genuine or otherwise, being dismissed by the public.

Many honest, and innocent, people have been hanged, or worse, burned at the stake. The public perceived crime here is racism, and so it has been accepted by the victim.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Phew, I’m glad his best friend is black so it’s an open and shut case.

Actually, it could play a crucial role in how he is determined as a person. Say the matter does go to court, then those close to him could be called to the stand to present him as a person, or in the public’s view, as a white person.

 

[Oldfut]

Actually, it could play a crucial role in how he is determined as a person. Say the matter does go to court, then those close to him could be called to the stand to present him as a person, or in the public’s view, as a white person.

whew and here I thought the rule of law which should not see race at all would prevail with facts and the actual law, silly me (those close to him could address the court in mitigation of sentence but otherwise it should be a matter of the facts). I doubt that there is really a case here, even a university disciplinary issue. It is good ole dogwhistle SA racism where the "case" has been extended to the whole of SA and pretty much all whites, even by "judges" like Cameron. Race is trumpeted in this case but ignored (Cameron et al are dead quiet, giving the rapist a nod and a wink; R1 000 bail) in a case of rape; which should be, way, way worse. Blatantly hypocritical.

The legislated racism of AA, BEE, EWC, sport and education quotas is surprise, surprise, completely ignored and that of the EFF etc downplayed, usually ignored. Goebbels and McCarthy would be proud; their work continues.

 

[Craig_]

It looks like the pee guy was suspended from res and attending class, is this correct? The alleged rapist was only suspended from res according to articles, so free to attend class.

If that's true it's messed up, they should name him and let him out. Let the public deal with him. That little thing that bothers him should be cut off.

 

[Craig_]

I dont think theres any evidence to support the rape as a racist incident

There's none in the peeing incident as well. Neither should've been about race. Unless there's evidence thereof.

 

[C4Cat]

I named three incident in that post, in two cases the perpetrator was related to the white ethnicity group.



Not all people behave the same. Human emotions are unique, circumstantially and situationally.

Interesting that you've had so many pee related incidents. Out of interest, I wonder how many other myBB members have been peed on or had their stuff peed on, without consent, before. Time for a poll?