Steve Jobs: Folks Who Want Porn Can Buy Android

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Quite a few Alto's were sold and used in various industries, so it was a commercial product - perhaps not a personal computer like the one you would use at home. It probably was too expensive for that, likewise was the offerings from Apple and thus the IBM PC outsold them by a long shot.

The Xerox was first and it was a good commercial product. SmallTalk was a conceptual language in the 50's because there was not sufficient processing power to develop an OO language - but in due time it did happen - at Xerox - on the Alto. Apple and Microsoft did make similar products but only self loving smug hippies (read Steve Jobs) would be so vain as to claim someone stole the idea from them. The lord and saviour Bill Gates set the record straight when he once told a self loving smug hippie "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set'".

Jy kan 'n Apple produk uit 'n d**s haal, maar jy kan nie die d**s uit 'n Apple user haal nie.
 
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This all just sounds to me like tight-fisted folks, that try to justify why they will not spend the extra money required, on a far superior product. Shell out the cash on a new iMac, and you will be converted.

WRT the blocking of porn apps - good for you Jobs, like the others have said - what is the big deal ? if you are really into porn, then open the browser and see it on the web....or cram porn pictures into your photo library of your iPhone, or add porn movies into your iPhone - if that's what rocks your boat. Or better still - get a girlfriend, then you won't have the desire to play with porn on your phone - you will have the real thing.
 
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Aqua_lung said:
You do know the xerox was a concept right? the concept actually existed around the late 50's, Apple had to design a complete OS with user functionality in mind so started from scratch, the Xerox was not usable as a mainstream OS, Microsoft had it easier and just ripped of Apple.
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Even if you were correct, and you're not, but even if you were, and it was a concept, it was a concept XEROX developed - Apple saw and implemented. It was XEROX' invention and not Apple's. It's the concept which counts and not who makes money with plebs employing it.
 
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PeterCH said:
Even if you were correct, and you're not, but even if you were, and it was a concept, it was a concept XEROX developed - Apple saw and implemented. It was XEROX' invention and not Apple's. It's the concept which counts and not who makes money with plebs employing it.
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The concept existed before xerox, I cant remember the guys name now but there are videos of him giving lectures about future tech in the 50s. Mouse and Gui was one of them.

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This is father of the mouse+UI concept not xerox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart
 
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Aqua_lung said:
I never said it was Apple's innovation, I said it's not xerox's.
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Actually I read the Wiki on Xerox GUI and they say a few thousand machines were shipped (not sold to the masses) but used in universities and institutes and corporations. It was more than a concept. It was a fully functional concept people actually used for work - you could say things were produced on it - stuff was done. Jobs came along one day and was impressed by it, decided he would put a crippled version in his 128K Mac. Had Jobs not seen the working Xerox machines would he have developed Apple in the direction it headed? We don't know. We do know that he copied their idea and made money off the plebs. Anyone else would be free to do the same.
 
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PeterCH said:
Actually I read the Wiki on Xerox GUI and they say a few thousand machines were shipped (not sold to the masses) but used in universities and institutes and corporations. It was more than a concept. It was a fully functional concept people actually used for work - you could say things were produced on it - stuff was done. Jobs came along one day and was impressed by it, decided he would put a crippled version in his 128K Mac. Had Jobs not seen the working Xerox machines would he have developed Apple in the direction it headed? We don't know. We do know that he copied their idea and made money off the plebs. Anyone else would be free to do the same.
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I think this link will clear up the confusion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface

I gave most credit to Engelbart, but I was mistaken yes Xerox had a working GUI.
 
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Aqua_lung said:
The concept existed before xerox, I cant remember the guys name now but there are videos of him giving lectures about future tech in the 50s. Mouse and Gui was one of them.

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This is father of the mouse+UI concept not xerox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart
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Whose researchers went to work for Xerox. But who was Engelbart inspired by? Vannevar Bush and his "As We May Think".
Bush features in the critically acclaimed 1999 anime Serial Experiments Lain.
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lain.htm#bush

When you consider what Jobs did - he was just a marketer - but the real wisdom, inspiration came from guys like Bush. The real glory should go to the guys in Stanford, MIT etc and not in Cupertino, although I still like Woz.

BTW ---> S.E.L is one show worth seeing.
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lain.htm
Lawrence Eng has an ancient site on the title.
 
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