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Sign up with GoogleSteve White on ICASA findings
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Highflyer_GP
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again, it seems like they threatening to stop adsl services altogether should the adsl rental be discarded. man i wish i could castrate these a$$wipes and beat the crap out of them
Celemasiko
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The usual crap from incompetent people. Do we have anything else expected than threats from White? I don't... Just cut us off, and you will have 80.000 -100.000 ADSL users sitting on your neck, and I am one of them....
btw, here some questions....
Question:
Do you have anything against TELKOM?
Answer:
Yes, Revolvers, Pistols, Guns, Handgrenades...
Question:
Are you making anything out of TELKOM?
Answer:
Shoes, handbags, belts....
btw, here some questions....
Question:
Do you have anything against TELKOM?
Answer:
Yes, Revolvers, Pistols, Guns, Handgrenades...
Question:
Are you making anything out of TELKOM?
Answer:
Shoes, handbags, belts....
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bin3
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"Right. Well, the sky is the limit where it can go to, depending on the applications and the actual customer requirements. Now we started at 192 kilobits, which is around three or four times faster than a normal dial-up connection. The next level is a 384 kilobit, then we have a 512".
Fine - So when do you fix the latency bug ? 250ms - 300ms to the UK. You gotta be kidding me. Try to compete with the big boys Telkom ? Maybe go back to your play pen. As any computer science student knows: You can't get decent bandwidth without decent latency. Again Telkom sucks. If you don't know this --> Google ...
Basically, I think they artifically add this latency at core centers to prevent major VOIP competition. Why on earth would you ever need to phone anywhere if you had a proper ADSL line ?
We have a one megabit service that we plan to introduce, I think that imminent.
So we may 'imminently' have something that any other international competitive, or UK/USA/Indian company had 2 years back ? Oh wow, stop the fluttering of my heart ...
We’ve gone to great lengths to explain the various cost elements involved and that it’s purely not recoverable and we couldn’t look our shareholders in the eye if we are prohibited from collecting ADSL revenue rentals from our customers.
Oh, I am so, so sorry - You will not be able to drive that new BMW this year, sadly we are trying to get some people to learn how to read and write and maybe make a better life for themselves. Access to information does things like that, you know ? And, there are people in Africa that really, really would like to learn more. But no, let's rather make sure our stake holders can afford another friggen penthouse at another friggen beach resort ...
And then lastly, my personal favourite ...
An ADSL network is a very scalable thing and something that really lends itself to the economy of scale.
No, a network is a scalable thing. An ADSL network is only as scalable as your network is. Don't make it sound like you build this great and wonderful thing that only you knew how to do. Anybody can build a network, and if other people had access to the landing points, they would and you could stop raping us.
OK sorry, knew I forgot one ...
There are five service providers to choose from today, which we’re just one of.
Now - WTF ? Where is there 5 service providers to choose from ? So did the SNO climb the beanstalk and got a magic little house that Jack then came and build ? There is 1, only 1 current, affordable, reliable, scalable technology going via Copper. Now, WiFi is great and 3G is brilliant, but it is not ADSL. Until, and only until there are 5 different networks can this statement even remotely be validated. Even then, it's false as hell.
So Telkom: Thanks again for keeping Africa in the dark ages. Without you, who knows ...
Fine - So when do you fix the latency bug ? 250ms - 300ms to the UK. You gotta be kidding me. Try to compete with the big boys Telkom ? Maybe go back to your play pen. As any computer science student knows: You can't get decent bandwidth without decent latency. Again Telkom sucks. If you don't know this --> Google ...
Basically, I think they artifically add this latency at core centers to prevent major VOIP competition. Why on earth would you ever need to phone anywhere if you had a proper ADSL line ?
We have a one megabit service that we plan to introduce, I think that imminent.
So we may 'imminently' have something that any other international competitive, or UK/USA/Indian company had 2 years back ? Oh wow, stop the fluttering of my heart ...
We’ve gone to great lengths to explain the various cost elements involved and that it’s purely not recoverable and we couldn’t look our shareholders in the eye if we are prohibited from collecting ADSL revenue rentals from our customers.
Oh, I am so, so sorry - You will not be able to drive that new BMW this year, sadly we are trying to get some people to learn how to read and write and maybe make a better life for themselves. Access to information does things like that, you know ? And, there are people in Africa that really, really would like to learn more. But no, let's rather make sure our stake holders can afford another friggen penthouse at another friggen beach resort ...
And then lastly, my personal favourite ...
An ADSL network is a very scalable thing and something that really lends itself to the economy of scale.
No, a network is a scalable thing. An ADSL network is only as scalable as your network is. Don't make it sound like you build this great and wonderful thing that only you knew how to do. Anybody can build a network, and if other people had access to the landing points, they would and you could stop raping us.
OK sorry, knew I forgot one ...
There are five service providers to choose from today, which we’re just one of.
Now - WTF ? Where is there 5 service providers to choose from ? So did the SNO climb the beanstalk and got a magic little house that Jack then came and build ? There is 1, only 1 current, affordable, reliable, scalable technology going via Copper. Now, WiFi is great and 3G is brilliant, but it is not ADSL. Until, and only until there are 5 different networks can this statement even remotely be validated. Even then, it's false as hell.
So Telkom: Thanks again for keeping Africa in the dark ages. Without you, who knows ...
BTTB
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Had MyADSL not complained about the line rental for HomeDSL512, we would still all be paying R599.00 per month for connectivity rental (excl. ISP charges) and Telkom would still only have about 30000 customers.
Now White says there are 100 000 customers?
Would we have had the cheaper 192Kb, 384Kb options either? Not that we wanted to have slower internet, but the gesture does suit some people. Or even perhaps the 30GB accounts that are being sold.
The simple fact is that the take up is going to escalate like he(White) says and he (White) and Telkom can thank us for that.
Now White says there are 100 000 customers?
Would we have had the cheaper 192Kb, 384Kb options either? Not that we wanted to have slower internet, but the gesture does suit some people. Or even perhaps the 30GB accounts that are being sold.
The simple fact is that the take up is going to escalate like he(White) says and he (White) and Telkom can thank us for that.
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LMAO!!
You're damn right we're not in Asia, cause telkom wouldn't last a day in a healthy competitive environment like Asia's. So thats as blatant a lie as you're likely to see, The Asian broadband market is his worst nightmare.
The next thing $teven White failed to mention was the USA's, Australia's and Germany's geography. I'll say its an even more challenging environment to deliver a broadband service than South Africa, how do they do it $teven? Oh you're right they're probably operating at a loss :\
Someone Like Steven White must know this in his position. So he intentionally kept Mr. Ewald uninformed of this, and that is as bad as (wh1te) lying.
BAD FORM Steven White... BAD FORM
Hmmm, this response from Telkom is quite worrying. They are basically saying:
"If you stop us from charging for the ADSL line rental, we will be forced to stop providing ADSL altogether"
Or, when comparing to a spoilt child:
"If you make us go to our room, we won't speak to you ever again!"
Nevertheless, this is a worrying response. AFAIK, ICASA can't *make* Telkom provide ADSL. You might all be thinking that Telkom will never stop providing ADSL since it is too profitable, but what if ICASA, but some miracle, actually puts this into regulation and Telkom does cancel ADSL. Then what? Since Telkom owns the infrastructure, we will be ADSL-less.
The only solution would be for ICASA to then force the unbundling of the local loop, and take away the SAT3 cable from Telkom. These are two powerful motivators for Telkom to play ball. ICASA needs to prove that they can call Telkom's bluff and threaten Telkom in return with these 2 scenarios should they continue to bleat.
"If you stop us from charging for the ADSL line rental, we will be forced to stop providing ADSL altogether"
Or, when comparing to a spoilt child:
"If you make us go to our room, we won't speak to you ever again!"
Nevertheless, this is a worrying response. AFAIK, ICASA can't *make* Telkom provide ADSL. You might all be thinking that Telkom will never stop providing ADSL since it is too profitable, but what if ICASA, but some miracle, actually puts this into regulation and Telkom does cancel ADSL. Then what? Since Telkom owns the infrastructure, we will be ADSL-less.
The only solution would be for ICASA to then force the unbundling of the local loop, and take away the SAT3 cable from Telkom. These are two powerful motivators for Telkom to play ball. ICASA needs to prove that they can call Telkom's bluff and threaten Telkom in return with these 2 scenarios should they continue to bleat.
If Telskum stops providing ADSL all the VANS will have the ability to offer ADSL. They will be forced to open their exchanges for routers to be installed et al.
Telkom is on the back foot in a corner and they know it. They are just doing what comes naturally to them, pay no heed to them.
Telkom is on the back foot in a corner and they know it. They are just doing what comes naturally to them, pay no heed to them.
I think it's sick that Telkom wants to hold SA ransom when they have been caught out by the regulator. That's no way for the only telecoms provider for the entire country to behave - it first has a responsibility to provide users with communications services.
Ah well, I don't think Steve White and his money-grabbing "echelons" think like that...
Ah well, I don't think Steve White and his money-grabbing "echelons" think like that...
playkiller no.2
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Kiss my ass, Steve White the Liar of $wize Land.
I want my nephew and niece to have cheap ADSL when they are old enough,not your rip-off prices.
You and your greedy stock holders who don`t care about South Africa can go straight to.........,you know where and do it quickly.
I want my nephew and niece to have cheap ADSL when they are old enough,not your rip-off prices.
You and your greedy stock holders who don`t care about South Africa can go straight to.........,you know where and do it quickly.
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Sneeky
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As has been said in other threads on the topic, putting a gun to the heads of Icasa and the SA public will only speed up the local loop unbundling and the liberation of the undersea cable from their pesky little claws.
This will be discussed in the convergence bill, and making statements like they have just done seems to me to be suicidal.
Sitting high and mighty in the 'privileged' position of being the only ADSL provider, they have a moral and economic obligation to the public and the country as a whole, and they should be forced to use some of their profits to speed up the rollout of ADSL in SA making it affordable and accesable, with descent amounts of bandwidth, I mean 3 gigs, yeah right. Greed Greed Greed.
If it was a competitve market, they wouldn't be whining about what they have to invest to maintain or increase their customer base.
This will be discussed in the convergence bill, and making statements like they have just done seems to me to be suicidal.
Sitting high and mighty in the 'privileged' position of being the only ADSL provider, they have a moral and economic obligation to the public and the country as a whole, and they should be forced to use some of their profits to speed up the rollout of ADSL in SA making it affordable and accesable, with descent amounts of bandwidth, I mean 3 gigs, yeah right. Greed Greed Greed.
If it was a competitve market, they wouldn't be whining about what they have to invest to maintain or increase their customer base.
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This guys needs a cave to share with the rest of the idiots he is with , a dark cave , devoid of light , to accompany the great void of intelligence within the cave . JUST DO IT steve !!
He obviusly thinks he is talking to children or the tea girl who he can bullsh1t , but alas , it wont work with us . I agree with sneeky they make MILLIONS from us each month , and when the SNO comes into the mix , then what ? Will we get melk-hom adds telling us how they have been "serving" the public for years and years . Go "service" yourself . When will they understand WE HAVE NO CHOICE . We hjave to use you till we get the chance to use some other company , so for the moment we will dance to your gay little tune , and we will seem happy and so shall you , cos you can still milk us .
However as soon as we get the chance we are gone , you will get a "package" from your "investors" saying thanks but now that we dont have any adsl subsribers anymore we have no need for you , why could you not see this was coming? What is the worst that could happen , melk-hom say they cant provide adsl anymore ? Great then the gov or icasa should offer the then unutilized "equipment" to a company like at&t BT or someone who can .
Please let them do this !!! They ae not seeing things to clearly
He obviusly thinks he is talking to children or the tea girl who he can bullsh1t , but alas , it wont work with us . I agree with sneeky they make MILLIONS from us each month , and when the SNO comes into the mix , then what ? Will we get melk-hom adds telling us how they have been "serving" the public for years and years . Go "service" yourself . When will they understand WE HAVE NO CHOICE . We hjave to use you till we get the chance to use some other company , so for the moment we will dance to your gay little tune , and we will seem happy and so shall you , cos you can still milk us .
However as soon as we get the chance we are gone , you will get a "package" from your "investors" saying thanks but now that we dont have any adsl subsribers anymore we have no need for you , why could you not see this was coming? What is the worst that could happen , melk-hom say they cant provide adsl anymore ? Great then the gov or icasa should offer the then unutilized "equipment" to a company like at&t BT or someone who can .
Please let them do this !!! They ae not seeing things to clearly