Straight Answer - Is it possible to deregister a vehicle?

[Sodan]

That's the part I don't have any more.
I hope I don't have to go through the process of getting duplicate papers, just to scrap the vehicle.

I had to do that too (lost mine). Doesn't cost much (coupla hundred Rand). And if you are the owner of the vehicle (as on the system), then you won't have a problem getting duplicate papers.

 

[skeptic_SA]

Had this same situation with a trailer I sold. Owner lost the papers and then later claimed I never gave them to him. Went around in circles for over a year with me begging and pleading for him to go to the licence dept to sort it out. Until I used the services of a gent who does vehicle licencing for a living. Not 100% sure what he did - but the oke with the trailer called me a few months later to say... "hey Boet. That trailer I bought from you has been blocked on the system and because of that - I cant get a licence for my car. Can you help me China?". Told him to fek off. Process cost me R450.

 

[Sodan]

The onus is on you as the seller to remove the vehicle from your name. Bad mistake, also been there, done that. Write off the licencing as school fees.

I sell quite a bit of vehicles (as a 2nd income / hobby), and I make use of a company called "WeQ4U" for all my admin related inquiries for licencing. They are pro's when it comes to these issues, and they do not charge an arm and a leg.

If you still have a copy of the sellers ID, and a proof of residence, you can simply remove the car from your name, WeQ4U will charge R190 for this service, and you can email all supporting documents. (I did one of these yesterday). Note that licencing fees need to be up to date to do this.

Scrapping a vehicle is a different story, you need to obtain the original registration certificate. If you have given this to the new buyer, or if you have lost it it is possible to obtain a copy. If the car was financed, and registered on your name after you paid the car off, you can obtain a copy from the licencing dep. If you never bothered to put it on your name once the bond was paid off (most people do this), you can request a duplicate certificate from the finance house (they normally charge a fee for this).

To avoid any further "I think do this" and "maybe do that", just get in touch with a lady called Elizabeth from http://www.weq4u.co.za/, she is a champ.

Edit: They also go to the licencing dep, and submit the forms on your behalf, so you dont need to go back and forth the whole time

About R400, if financed through Wesbank. I did this earlier this year.

 

[Tman*]

Had this same situation with a trailer I sold. Owner lost the papers and then later claimed I never gave them to him. Went around in circles for over a year with me begging and pleading for him to go to the licence dept to sort it out. Until I used the services of a gent who does vehicle licencing for a living. Not 100% sure what he did - but the oke with the trailer called me a few months later to say... "hey Boet. That trailer I bought from you has been blocked on the system and because of that - I cant get a licence for my car. Can you help me China?". Told him to fek off. Process cost me R450.

Exactly why I opt to use a professional service as apposed to go to the licencing department myself. These companies do thousands of licences a month, they know all the in's and out's, and are probably on a 1st name basis with the officials at the licencing dep.

 

[LazyLion]

OK, so I made up two sets of affidavits and went and got them attested/sworn at the police station. Then with a copy of my dad's ID we went off to the licensing department.

This is what we found out.

1) Expect to be treated rudely, like you are some kind of criminal for not knowing the procedures and not doing things the right way.
2) Upon the sale of your vehicle, you should never give the yellow form to the buyer, you need to hand it in yourself. And when you hand it in yourself, you need to wait for and insist upon proof (in the form of a printed certificate on white paper) that the vehicle has been taken out of your name. I suppose you could have two yellow copies - one to give the buyer and one to hand in yourself - to make sure that it gets done.
3) You should keep a copy of the buyer's ID and details as well - as they might ask for that again if anything goes wrong later.

If the transfer of the vehicle doesn't go through for whatever reason...

4) You will need an written affidavit signed by the police stating all the details of the transaction. It MUST INCLUDE the buyer's ID number, and any other details you might still have. A copy of their ID would also help. It must also state WHY the yellow form was never handed in or what happened to it. it must also have all the details of the vehicle.
5) You will need THIS scrapping affidavit filled out and signed.
6) A copy of the vehicle owner's ID document.
7) A PINK ADV form - "Application for the Deregistration of a Motor Vehicle".
8) If the transfer didn't go through, then you will also need to -re-complete the yellow form NCO.

 

[LazyLion]

OK, so just a final update...

After being chewed out by the lady at the Enquiries Counter yesterday and after being told I needed all of the above crap....

When I got there today, there was a different guy there.
He said to take all the stuff to the Licensing Window.
I gave it to the guy at the licensing window, and he gave everything back to me except the yellow form and my Dad's ID copy.
He said I didn't need the affidavits, or the scrapping forms.
Then he gave me a number and I waited 30 mins.
When they called my number the lady handed me the two white certificates showing that the vehicles had been transferred out of my dad's name.
THAT EASY.

So the fact that the yellow forms didn't have the signatures of the buyers concerns me a bit - because that means it is pretty easy to transfer ownership with just a person's ID number and address.
But anyway, glad to know it's over.
I hope.

 

[cpu.]

Thanks for the update. Always good to share info to help others to avoid similar situations.

 

[Charles954]

Just today I got a call from a bike shop that purchased my old bike from the guy I sold it too a year ago, they want me to pay for a license renewal. I am not going to pay them. I want to know how to remove the bike from my name. I dont think I have the yellow form anymore. I don't want to scrap it, I just want it off my name.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

We sold two vehicles years ago to two separate people.
Both of them were given all the papers - including the registration certificates, yellow and blue forms.
Neither of them actually transferred the vehicles, despite repeated requests to do so, and now they have both disappeared and we cannot reach them any more.
But every year we keep getting nailed with the licensing of these two vehicles.

So now, I want to just de-register these vehicles.
The licensing department told me I cannot scap them unless I have an actual certificate from a scrap dealer that the vehicles have been physically destroyed.

So how do I go about getting them removed from our names?

I suppose I will need affidavits with as much info on the people as possible and proof of the sale.
But there were no contracts of sale - and we gave them the yellow forms.
So we don't have much info on them. Not even ID numbers.

Has anyone else had experience with this?

Literally the same ****

1. Middle man (my current but soon to be xfriend) - can't be found or bothered
2. The Person he sold it to same thing
3. I only handed over the ****ing RC1, signed the forms and left it there - mistakes was made here, will never happen again.
3. I'll start to buildup my options other than breaking kneecaps.

FFS and this R829 later on missed license fees.

The onus is on you as the seller to remove the vehicle from your name. Bad mistake, also been there, done that. Write off the licencing as school fees.

I sell quite a bit of vehicles (as a 2nd income / hobby), and I make use of a company called "WeQ4U" for all my admin related inquiries for licencing. They are pro's when it comes to these issues, and they do not charge an arm and a leg.

If you still have a copy of the sellers ID, and a proof of residence, you can simply remove the car from your name, WeQ4U will charge R190 for this service, and you can email all supporting documents. (I did one of these yesterday). Note that licencing fees need to be up to date to do this.

Scrapping a vehicle is a different story, you need to obtain the original registration certificate. If you have given this to the new buyer, or if you have lost it it is possible to obtain a copy. If the car was financed, and registered on your name after you paid the car off, you can obtain a copy from the licencing dep. If you never bothered to put it on your name once the bond was paid off (most people do this), you can request a duplicate certificate from the finance house (they normally charge a fee for this).

To avoid any further "I think do this" and "maybe do that", just get in touch with a lady called Elizabeth from http://www.weq4u.co.za/, she is a champ.

Edit: They also go to the licencing dep, and submit the forms on your behalf, so you dont need to go back and forth the whole time

Hopefully pointers as to what I can do.

 

[B-1]

You can get a duplicate of the vehicle papers as its still in your name then use that to take the vehicle off the road which will stop the need for a licence disk. Will cost a few rand but that's the easiest way to go about it. Not the best though as the vehicle is not roadworthy at that point.

 

[deweyzeph]

It's so simple.

Buyer and seller both sign yellow form, seller retains yellow form and hands in to authorities get vehicle off seller's name.

Only buyer fills in blue form and hands in to authorities to register and licence vehicle in buyers name.

If you give the yellow form to the buyer then you are screwed if the buyer doesn't bother to register the vehicle in his name. DO NOT give the yellow form to the buyer whatever you do.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

It's so simple.

Buyer and seller both sign yellow form, seller retains yellow form and hands in to authorities get vehicle off seller's name.

Only buyer fills in blue form and hands in to authorities to register and licence vehicle in buyers name.

If you give the yellow form to the buyer then you are screwed if the buyer doesn't bother to register the vehicle in his name. DO NOT give the yellow form to the buyer whatever you do.

No ****. We know this. I didn't do this. Your reply helped ****al.

Rest will be ignored as such.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

You can get a duplicate of the vehicle papers as its still in your name then use that to take the vehicle off the road which will stop the need for a licence disk. Will cost a few rand but that's the easiest way to go about it. Not the best though as the vehicle is not roadworthy at that point.

That's one of the options I'm going to pursue once I picked up the license discs today.

 

[B-1]

It's so simple.

Buyer and seller both sign yellow form, seller retains yellow form and hands in to authorities get vehicle off seller's name.

Only buyer fills in blue form and hands in to authorities to register and licence vehicle in buyers name.

If you give the yellow form to the buyer then you are screwed if the buyer doesn't bother to register the vehicle in his name. DO NOT give the yellow form to the buyer whatever you do.

Until you get to the DMV and they won't accept the yellow form without a copy of the new owners ID which isn't stated anywhere as a requirement. And the new owner couldn't be bothered to help.

 

[deweyzeph]

Until you get to the DMV and they won't accept the yellow form without a copy of the new owners ID which isn't stated anywhere as a requirement. And the new owner couldn't be bothered to help.

I've bought and sold many vehicles in my personal capacity over the years, never once have they ever asked me for the buyer's ID when I handed in the yellow form. This is in the Western Cape though, maybe it's different where you are.

 

[B-1]

I've bought and sold many vehicles in my personal capacity over the years, never once have they ever asked me for the buyer's ID when I handed in the yellow form. This is in the Western Cape though, maybe it's different where you are.

This was in GP I had the issue. Tried more than once as well as I thought it might just be a useless bureaucrat and would have much rather have gone that route as I had the form completed.

 

[deweyzeph]

This was in GP I had the issue. Tried more than once as well as I thought it might just be a useless bureaucrat and would have much rather have gone that route as I had the form completed.

That's unfortunate because the buyer is under no obligation to give you a copy of his ID, nor should they be. If I was buying a vehicle from someone and they asked me for a copy of my ID I would never give it to them for obvious security reasons.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

...so after applied motivation the actual parties involved to resolve and refund myself. See how this goes... next time I'll just do everyone's job to ensure its done right the first time.