''String of scandals hammer ANC's image''

[jontyB]

well for one they have an idiot for a leader, and are only good at opposing policies, laws without even taking the time out to look at the impact of such laws, if you look at other parties like the FF+, you will see that they only oppose legislation they have problems with - I also have a problem with anyone who is a career politician - people like Tony Leon, Koos van der Merwe, etc. they are not there to serve or try to change things for the better, but because it's their job to get into parly and stay in parly

Why do you say Tony Leon is an idiot? Just because you don't like him doesn't make him an idiot. What evidence have you got that he is an idiot? On the other hand, a real, genuine monkey shaped moron who believes a shower will prevent him from contracting AIDS, this after sleeping with an HIV positive woman, is treated like a rock g0d?

Tony Leon is a lot more intelligent than you give him credit for, and at least he and the DA are trying to keep the ANC accountable, even though the ANC attempts to block them at every turn. The problem is NOT the opposition - it is squarely 100% the ANC and it's politicking alliance.

 

[xtermin8or]

alot has been said about Tony Leon being gay, and his marriage being a sham - the way you defend him JontyB - one begins to wonder. Seriously though what has the DA done for people in this country - and don't give me that - they are not in power crap - other parties in parly have called on the Govt ( Govt and ANC are two seperate entities ) far more succesfully to account - specifically the FF+

 

[jontyB]

No, the Govt passes legislation they believe will be beneficial to the country, whether they are right or wrong, that is another argument - but if the opposition in Parliament were stronger, they could oppose bills they thought was detrimental.

While MPs seem to be appointed, this is not entirely true, each political party has to provide the IEC with a list of candidates, after the vote these candidates fill the seats in parliament, the President then selects his cabinet from these people ( i.e anyone who has a seat in parliament from any party )

the lists are published, and so anyone voting for a party knows who he/she is voting for.

BTW - the President is elected by Parliament after the General election, although this is done merely as a ceremony than an actual election - the house nominates candidates, a vote is taken and the winner becomes President

What rubbish. Whether the opposition is stronger or not is irrelevant. The ANC frequently instructs ANC MPs what they will vote for in parliament votes. As they are the majority, no amount of opposition will have any affect.

 

[jontyB]

alot has been said about Tony Leon being gay, and his marriage being a sham - the way you defend him JontyB - one begins to wonder. Seriously though what has the DA done for people in this country - and don't give me that - they are not in power crap - other parties in parly have called on the Govt ( Govt and ANC are two seperate entities ) far more succesfully to account - specifically the FF+

So what if I am gay? Since when is being gay tantamount to being an idiot? You really are the worse kind of troll.

 

[xtermin8or]

maybe you should try reading my posts Jonty, not just thrash or try to thrash them, I have responded to that issue already

 

[jontyB]

maybe you should try reading my posts Jonty, not just thrash or try to thrash them, I have responded to that issue already

Your response was insufficient. Try to keep up homophobe.

 

[xtermin8or]

I did not say that being gay was the same as being an idiot - that's a deduction you made (but if the cap fits)- it was just a little side issue - the answer to your question followed after

 

[jontyB]

I did not say that being gay was the same as being an idiot - that's a deduction you made (but if the cap fits)- it was just a little side issue - the answer to your question followed after

WTF is wrong with you? When asked why you think Tony Leon is an idiot, you alluded to an assumption that he was gay. I deduced nothing bar your being a homophobic racist kid who probably can't find any peace in the world so instead chooses to troll an internet forum.

 

[kilo39]

alot has been said about Tony Leon being gay, and his marriage being a sham - the way you defend him JontyB - one begins to wonder. Seriously though what has the DA done for people in this country - and don't give me that - they are not in power crap - other parties in parly have called on the Govt ( Govt and ANC are two seperate entities ) far more succesfully to account - specifically the FF+

The governments attitude to the DA is much as your own: anything they say is immediately labelled moronic (end of conversation.)

What has the DA done? About as much as this government has done//they stood up to the Nats when nobody else did.

 

[xtermin8or]

look in the mirror, kid, to see a troll, I answered your question, if you can't respond intelligently rather refrain from making a total A$$ of yourself -

Here I say again - your hero - Tony Leon and his party the DA, have done nothing to improve the lives of ordinary South Africans - other political parties have called the Govt to account more successfully than the DA ever has.

look at the FF+ campaigns to keep politics out of sport and their list of people without jobs, who now have employment - where is the DA - where is Tony the great - standing and screaming in Parliament ? barking like a Chihuaha ( spelling?) thats all he can do - thats what makes him not just an idiot, but a despicable politician only in it for the publicity and money

And that my dear boy, JontyB, is my opinion, and I am entitled to it - just as you are entitled to worship the ground Leon walks on

 

[xtermin8or]

The governments attitude to the DA is much as your own: anything they say is immediately labelled moronic (end of conversation.)

What has the DA done? About as much as this government has done//they stood up to the Nats when nobody else did.

what about the ANC, UDF, PAC, TIC, NIC, uMkhonto, APLA

 

[Syndyre]

Maybe he means they were alone in parliament? I know the other parties didn't have a chance to get voted in there, just saying.

 

[xtermin8or]

I am sure they were not alone with the Nats in parly

 

[kilo39]

All fought for freedom (in the best way the DA knew how) but this is simply forgotten by this government (and incumbents.)

 

[Leitmotif]

I am sure they were not alone with the Nats in parly

They weren't. The Conservative Party was the other major player, but they were against PW Botha's reforms, and were basically the throwbacks to Apartheid that certain forum members costantly harp on.

The DP had a long history of trying to institute true democracy. DA was what the DP became to avoid the stigma of having been in parliament before 1994. As feared, the people either didn't know of or disapproved of the DA's efforts for democracy, and they ended up with very little vote share. Not left enough for leftists, not right enough for right-wingers.

 

[jontyB]

look in the mirror, kid, to see a troll, I answered your question, if you can't respond intelligently rather refrain from making a total A$$ of yourself -

Intelligent responses are wasted on dumbasses like you.

Here I say again - your hero - Tony Leon and his party the DA, have done nothing to improve the lives of ordinary South Africans - other political parties have called the Govt to account more successfully than the DA ever has.

Hardly my hero, but your assumptions are always 'spot on' aren't they?
Off the top of my head: the DA are behind various campaigns to uncover corruption, including the ongoing "Oilgate" saga. Apart from the DA submitting various private member's bills in parliament, the DA collects funds for various charities and campaigns. The DA Women's League does a ton of good work for women of all backgrounds, and the DA fights the ANC tooth and nail when it comes to wasting of tax payer's money.[/QUOTE]

look at the FF+ campaigns to keep politics out of sport and their list of people without jobs, who now have employment - where is the DA - where is Tony the great - standing and screaming in Parliament ? barking like a Chihuaha ( spelling?) thats all he can do - thats what makes him not just an idiot, but a despicable politician only in it for the publicity and money

Last time I checked that is doing something?

And that my dear boy, JontyB, is my opinion, and I am entitled to it - just as you are entitled to worship the ground Leon walks on

Ek is nie jou booi nie mannetjie. Maar jy kan maar my kar was.

Kiddie.

 

[chiskop]

The DP had a long history of trying to institute true democracy. DA was what the DP became to avoid the stigma of having been in parliament before 1994.

Umm, no. The DA only changed their name when they allied themselves with the Nats in 2000 (check it). They were the DP from about 1989, and before that the PFP.

 

[xtermin8or]

The FF+ is the main force behind the oilgate saga - they are the ones who took the matter to the President and the Public Protector - they also took the matter of the DPs gravyplane to the Pub Protector - every political organisation does their bit for charity - the ANC BTW does the most -

Wat bestuur jy - 'n pienk mini cooper ? vra jou Beau Leon om dit vir jou te was, dan kan julle lekker baljaar in die borrels saam

 

[jontyB]

The FF+ is the main force behind the oilgate saga - they are the ones who took the matter to the President and the Public Protector - they also took the matter of the DPs gravyplane to the Pub Protector - every political organisation does their bit for charity - the ANC BTW does the most -

Wat bestuur jy - 'n pienk mini cooper ? vra jou Beau Leon om dit vir jou te was, dan kan julle lekker baljaar in die borrels saam

http://www.mg.co.za/specialreport.aspx?area=oilgate
http://www.da.org.za/da/Site/Eng/campaigns/petrosa.asp
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=594&art_id=vn20061114122704854C157409

Moerse geraas maar eintlik sê jy f0kkol. Like I said before, I am not a Leon fan, and I am most certainly not a DA fan. But you made unwarranted assumptions about someone based on their sexual orientation? Clearly you're not a very tollerant human being. And you throw the word bigot around? Pot. Kettle.

 

[icyrus]

http://www.mg.co.za/specialreport.aspx?area=oilgate
http://www.da.org.za/da/Site/Eng/campaigns/petrosa.asp
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=594&art_id=vn20061114122704854C157409

Moerse geraas maar eintlik sê jy f0kkol. Like I said before, I am not a Leon fan, and I am most certainly not a DA fan. But you made unwarranted assumptions about someone based on their sexual orientation? Clearly you're not a very tollerant human being. And you throw the word bigot around? Pot. Kettle.

Maybe he is actually zuma...