Study of Holocaust survivors finds trauma passed on to children's genes

[etienne_marais]

Fear of the dark

So that's why I have a constant fear that something's always near, damn genes.

 

[Sherbang]

Nothing that you can't Google...

I Googled it and can't find anything to substantiate this assertion. Specifically genetic inheritance that is

 

[Techne]

Fear of the dark

Must be genetically inherited since it is learned behaviour...

 

[c3n0byt3]

So basically, "I will slap you so hard your children's children will feel it".
Thug science.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

I Googled it and can't find anything to substantiate this assertion. Specifically genetic inheritance that is

Try searching for epigenetic inheritance, as this is what it's commonly known as.

Here's one (sorry, Wikipedia, but I didn't have long)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetics

 

[Nick333]

I don't want to substantiate is because the information you seek is readily available from a Google search and I really don't feel like debating... but more than that, I can already see you opposing whatever links/evidence I post, because you seem to have made your mind up already and I know you well enough to know that you won't change it.

If it's so readily available on Google you could have googled it and posted links here in far less time than you've spent arguing about it.

 

[mercurial]

If it's so readily available on Google you could have googled it and posted links here in far less time than you've spent arguing about it.

I've already explained why I didn't want to do that. Futile.

 

[Nick333]

I've already explained why I didn't want to do that. Futile.

More or less futile than making assertions then arguing about why you refuse to substantiate them?

 

[mercurial]

More or less futile than making assertions then arguing about why you refuse to substantiate them?

Lol.

 

[Lord Farquart]

Fcuuk, but these guys want to milk the Holocaust, don't they? Guess Steven Spielberg is rubbing his hands thinking about Schindler List XXXVII.

 

[RanzB]

If it's so readily available on Google you could have googled it and posted links here in far less time than you've spent arguing about it.

As I posted earlier today:

Mercurial doesn't do sources.

Also, note how the story goes from 'it is well known' to 'it's an opinion'.

 

[rwenzori]

If it's so readily available on Google you could have googled it and posted links here in far less time than you've spent arguing about it.

Agreed. Such a fuss and bother to avoid substantiating your view.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

As I posted earlier today:



Also, note how the story goes from 'it is well known' to 'it's an opinion'.

Epigenetics is a fairly well-known aspect of genetics.

It's not Lamarckism any more.

 

[RanzB]

Epigenetics is a fairly well-known aspect of genetics.

It's not Lamarckism any more.

I wasn't discussing the topic.

 

[w1z4rd]

This is hardly groundbreaking. It's well known for a while that we inherit our ancestors fears etc.

This is true, fear of spiders and fear of heights are genetic fears.

 

[Sherbang]

Try searching for epigenetic inheritance, as this is what it's commonly known as.

Here's one (sorry, Wikipedia, but I didn't have long)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetics

Epigenetics is a fairly well-known aspect of genetics.

It's not Lamarckism any more.

This study claims to be the first example in humans of the theory of epigenetic inheritance.
Are you aware of previous evidence of epigenetic inheritance in humans?

 

[Sherbang]

This is true, fear of spiders and fear of heights are genetic fears.

But is there actual genetic evidence that fear of spiders and fear of heights are inherited from the experiences of our ancestors?
It's quite possible, for example, that a fear of spiders is genetically inherited but not via an epigenetic process. In other words, just because it's genetically inherited doesn't mean that your ancestor got a huge fright one day from a spider and that changed his genetics so ever after all his descendants are scared of spiders. It's more likely a plain biological inheritance based on natural selection.

 

[Lord Farquart]

This is true, fear of spiders and fear of heights are genetic fears.

Although I can see why you can blame your parents for your fears, making it genetic seems a bit far fetched. A genetic modification in one generation, although plausible, seems a bit improbable.

Also, a Jewish scientist doing scientific work in a Jewish hospital proving Jews will keep on suffering for generations????? Why am I not scared of English people, and even married an English chick after my great grandmother lost 12 of her 13 children in and English concentration camp? I think they are clutching at straws here.

 

[w1z4rd]

Although I can see why you can blame your parents for your fears, making it genetic seems a bit far fetched. A genetic modification in one generation, although plausible, seems a bit improbable.

Genetic modifications can easily happen in one generation. Cancers, mutations and viruses can all impact our genome in significant ways. However, like you Im not sure how real the OP study is, it would need to be empirically tested and replicated before I look more into it.

Also, a Jewish scientist doing scientific work in a Jewish hospital proving Jews will keep on suffering for generations????? Why am I not scared of English people, and even married an English chick after my great grandmother lost 12 of her 13 children in and English concentration camp? I think they are clutching at straws here.

Bad example, many Afrikaners still carry a chip on their shoulders about losing both Boer Wars. Passed down from generation to generation Its hard to be a nation of professional victims without such baggage constantly and meticulously passed down the generations.


Also came across this:

The Science of Suffering
Kids are inheriting their parents' trauma. Can science stop it?

There does seem to be a case that's worth investigating more that you can pass on your experiences (to a limited degree) in your genome.

 

[Lord Farquart]

Bad example, many Afrikaners still carry a chip on their shoulders about losing both Boer Wars. Passed down from generation to generation Its hard to be a nation of professional victims without such baggage constantly and meticulously passed down the generations.

Oh, so if you are Afrikaans, it is called a chip. If you are Jewish, it is genetic an warrants a study.