Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

[Pak Fa Fui]

It doesn't take much.

Judging by the comments everybody is confused

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

Ja nee...

If you purport to be civilised you adhere to civilised behaviour. Then uncivilised yobs come and trample all over your civilised mores compelling you to revert to the harsher parts of your rules and laws designed to cope with such behaviour. If the harsher rules have fallen into disuse they need to be dusted off and enforced.

Such is life.

pc speak?

 

[AfricanTech]

pc speak?

If immigrants dont adhere to the laws of the land punish them to the full extent of the law.

Better?

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

1St world countries will soon be deploying their armies to keep immigrants out. The pendulum swung too far left and now it will have to swing very far to the right.

 

[Ponderer]

When you bite the hand that feeds you.

"Give someone an inch, and they'll take a mile".

 

[chrisc]

So nobody gives a feck about those non Muslim kids who also weren't invited to the party?

There were 11 children invited. Only 2 happen to be in her class at school, the rest are youth group, friends of her parents, her sister and 2 cousins

 

[Gyre]

When you bite the hand that feeds you.

"Give someone an inch, and they'll take a mile".

Did Jesus say that?

 

[Ponderer]

Did Jesus say that?

Oh no - there he goes again.

 

[Gyre]

Oh no - there he goes again.

Just curious, it's human nature to want to help those less fortunate and in need.

 

[airborne]

An interesting thing as well is that SA has thousands of immigrants from Muslim majority nations like Somalia, Sudan, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc and they are not really a threat to our lives or culture, some are involved in crime but the most dangerous criminals in SA are South African.

In SA, they also definitely make an effort to integrate. There are Pakistani/Somali shops in every corner of SA from the CBD to deep in the townships. I'd actually say they make more of an effort to integrate with other SA people than many South Africans who complain about Arabs not integrating into European culture do.

I have not seen that at all, the Pakistanis, Somalians, Chinese all stick to their own, often can barely speak English or any other local language and no desire to. Typically very unscrupulous and feel nothing ripping off and exploiting customers/people.

I see them as leeches, they have no desire to be part of the communities they do business in and maximising profit at any cost is the only objective.

Immigrants that want to integrate is awesome, adds flavour to the mix and brings new perspectives but if people don’t want to integrate or at the very least stand on their own feet and be a meaningful member of society they should defo fk off back to wherever they came from.

As to crime the Pakistani and Somalian gangs in Sa are some the the most brutal, fortunately they seem to target their own most of the time but still wtf are these thugs doing in our country. And on the subject of crime, Pakistani businesses and tax evasion, from dodgy importing right through to vat and income tax, those guys are past masters at evading tax.

And let’s not start on Nigerian dudes and the sht they get up to.

Unfettered immigration is a cluster fk, I’ve always thought it strange how thoroughly these countries vet people that go through the normal channels to immigrate there yet if you claim asylum you can break the law and illegally enter the same country or they’ll even fly you in and it’s no questions asked along with free housing and grants.

 

[Ponderer]

Just curious, it's human nature to want to help those less fortunate and in need.

You struggling to understand?

When you bite the hand that feeds you.

"Give someone an inch, and they'll take a mile".

 

[Gyre]

You struggling to understand?

That is why I'm asking how that ties into your personal philosophy of helping those less fortunate and in need?

I can read just fine, that is how I know that you like helping those less fortunate, so it's a strange thing for you to say?

 

[Ponderer]

That is why I'm asking how that ties into your personal philosophy of helping those less fortunate and in need?

I can read just fine, that is how I know that you like helping those less fortunate, so it's a strange thing for you to say?

What is it you don't understand?
I know you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, but surely even you can understand it.

Then again, maybe not.

 

[deesef]

That is why I'm asking how that ties into your personal philosophy of helping those less fortunate and in need?

I can read just fine, that is how I know that you like helping those less fortunate, so it's a strange thing for you to say?

After the hand was bitten too often, then no, I walk past those "less fortunate" without making eye contact...

The "less fortunate" is also a bunch of bull. I grew up in a slum, but rather worked hard to extradite myself, instead of doing fkall while standing with the proverbial cupped hand and crying "less fortunate".

 

[Gyre]

What is it you don't understand?
I know you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, but surely even you can understand it.

Then again, maybe not.

Okay, just interesting hypocrisy, but I'll leave it for another thread at another time.

 

[Gyre]

After the hand was bitten too often, then no, I walk past those "less fortunate" without making eye contact...

The "less fortunate" is also a bunch of bull. I grew up in a slum, but rather worked hard to extradite myself, instead of doing fkall while standing with the proverbial cupped hand and crying "less fortunate".

I agree, we can't save everyone and for myself it would take a great deal of effort to help someone.

For me it's about character rather than circumstances, if you can help someone that can help themselves, then at leas you have a feeling that it will pay off in the long run.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

ften can barely speak English or any other local language and no desire to.

Surprisingly, many of the Chinese businessmen are able to pick up native SA African languages like Zulu but struggle with English, it may be because Zulu has more structural similarities to Chinese. Zulu may also be better suited to Chinese characters than the Latin Alphabet.

ETV did a feature story on one guy a few years ago who got his Zulu to intermediate fluent level but still could not speak English.

 

[airborne]

Surprisingly, many of the Chinese businessmen are able to pick up native SA African languages like Zulu but struggle with English, it may be because Zulu has more structural similarities to Chinese. Zulu may also be better suited to Chinese characters than the Latin Alphabet.

ETV did a feature story on one guy a few years ago who got his Zulu to intermediate fluent level but still could not speak English.

Wtf, that guys Zulu is on point!

That’s awesome, that’s what you want to see but unfortunately that’s the exception not the rule in my experience. In just about every Chinese shop I’ve been into the Chinese dudes sit behind the till and don’t want anything to do with the “natives” other than to take your money. The Chinese and Pakistanis especially from my experience it’s just about the money and nothing else, no interest in integrating with local communities or providing a high quality service.

That being said from what I’ve read and heard that mindframe will have been learnt in their home countries and it’s nothing personal, they’ll rob their own fellow men and ficus blind in their home countries. But that still begs the question why are these kinds of people are being let into Sa if they have no desire to give back?

 

[JuliusSeizure]

I wouldn't call what is happening in the Jo'burg CBD and surrounding suburbs ''integration''. It is the exact opposite.

Integration implies coexistence. Many areas in and around Jo'burg are now fully migrant communities. Fordsburg being a great example of this.

It is possible to co exist happily without integrating. Most of us do this as it's common among the different cultures of SA.

As long as they don't cause a problem and we can happily co exist, I don't see a problem.

I go to a local Pakistani barber and we have nice conversations but are not friends. He does a better job than SA barbers.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Wtf, that guys Zulu is on point!

That’s awesome, that’s what you want to see but unfortunately that’s the exception not the rule in my experience. In just about every Chinese shop I’ve been into the Chinese dudes sit behind the till and don’t want anything to do with the “natives” other than to take your money. The Chinese and Pakistanis especially from my experience it’s just about the money and nothing else, no interest in integrating with local communities or providing a high quality service.

That being said from what I’ve read and heard that mindframe will have been learnt in their home countries and it’s nothing personal, they’ll rob their own fellow men and ficus blind in their home countries. But that still begs the question why are these kinds of people are being let into Sa if they have no desire to give back?

Fair enough, there are bad cases but the media and people in general are quick to pick out the bad mainly and scapegoat foreigners.

This guy's story is one of the few good ones that was picked out by media and there likely are many like him that don't get publicity.