Taxi rivals open fire in clash over routes

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/taxi-rivals-open-fire-in-clash-over-routes-1.1224724

Large numbers of police were sent to parts of Hendrik Potgieter Road in Ruimsig on Tuesday night to prevent another shootout between two rival taxi associations.
On Tuesday, a taxi owner from the Dobsonville, Roodepoort, Leratong and Joburg Taxi Association (Dorljota) was gunned down in a drive-by shooting on the corner of Hendrik Potgieter and Peter roads in Ruimsig.
The shooting appears to have been sparked by fighting between the Dorljota drivers and their longtime rivals, drivers from the Faraday Taxi Association.
Two other people who were shot and injured were in hospital in a serious condition. One of those was a Dorljota taxi owner and the other a passenger forced out of a passing taxi.
Members of Dorljota allegedly drove along Doreen Road towards the Hendrik Potgieter intersection (known as the Poortview stop-off for taxis) and started shooting at Faraday members who were parked at the intersection. They retaliated, sparking the melee.
On Tuesday night, a police Nyala was parked at the traffic light. Members of Joburg’s Public Order Policing Unit and the metro police were at the intersection to keep the peace.
Some officers said they would stay at the intersection until 10pm, when the taxis stopped operating.
Tensions over the routes have been simmering since Monday – and at least four taxis have allegedly been vandalised.
Dorljota travels from the Joburg CBD and the rank opposite Chris Hani Baragwanath Academic Hospital to Poortview. Faraday drivers take over at this intersection and drive to Pinehaven and the Silverstar Casino.
Godfrey Khoza, from the Faraday Taxi Association, said on Tuesday night the problem started on Monday when Faraday signed an agreement with the Bara City Taxi Association to transport commuters from Bara to three stops – Poortview, Pinehaven and next to the Mr Price along Hendrik Potgieter.
Dorljota would still transport commuters from Bara to Clearwater Mall.
The agreement has still to be signed off by the registrar.
Khoza said that on Monday afternoon his association’s drivers got the go-ahead to start collecting commuters at Bara for the three destinations. When they did so, it sparked an outcry from the other drivers.
The two associations met on Monday at the Honeydew police station, where they decided to speak to their drivers in a bid to calm them down until the decision was finalised.
Dorljota spokesman Zeblon Simelane was not available for comment late on Tuesday.
Provincial SAPS spokesman Colonel Tshisikawe Ndou said the police were investigating one murder and two attempted murder cases.
He said the situation was tense but under control.
By 7pm there were no taxis on the route, and commuters who usually catch taxis outside the Featherbrooke Village mall to the Joburg CBD, the Bara rank and Hillbrow were left stranded as Faraday drivers failed to pitch up.
Commuter Julia Mosima, who lives in Hillbrow and works at the mall, said she was so desperate to get home she would jump in the first taxi that stopped.
“I’m scared but don’t have any other option to get home. There are no buses that come here. There is nothing I can do.”
Mosima has been travelling this route since 2009.
She said she had notified her employees of the shooting and told them that if there were no taxis today, she would not be able to come to work.
The Faraday, Dorljota and Bara taxi associations were expected to meet at the registrar’s office at 10am on on Wednesday. - The Star
As usual nothing will come of this. In all fairness I do see the Metro Cops going after the Taxi guys both in Gauteng and in Ekurhuleni, so it's not really their fault.
I just think the ANC controlled government does not give a crap about people's safety. They do not want to regulate this industry.
 

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This kind of BS really needs to be brought to book....

Lock down Taxi ranks... search every taxi, and every driver.... unlicensed taxi's get confiscated, drivers with narcotics or firearms get arrested, unroadworthy taxi's get crushed....

Zero tolerance....
 

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This kind of BS really needs to be brought to book....

Lock down Taxi ranks... search every taxi, and every driver.... unlicensed taxi's get confiscated, drivers with narcotics or firearms get arrested, unroadworthy taxi's get crushed....

Zero tolerance....
An then they go on strike/protest bring the roads to a standstill...
 

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An then they go on strike/protest bring the roads to a standstill...
I know there are problems with my solution.... but the Taxi owners and drivers need to be shown that they are not a law unto themselves.. somehow.
 

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This kind of BS really needs to be brought to book....

Lock down Taxi ranks... search every taxi, and every driver.... unlicensed taxi's get confiscated, drivers with narcotics or firearms get arrested, unroadworthy taxi's get crushed....

Zero tolerance....
+10
 

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I know there are problems with my solution.... but the Taxi owners and drivers need to be shown that they are not a law unto themselves.. somehow.
Can't happen because it's an apartheid idea. It's going to be a long road before something really really is done...
 

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Can't happen because it's an apartheid idea. It's going to be a long road before something really really is done...
That unfortunately is true.... my one big worry though, is that it gets left for so long that the only solution has to be a massive shift which will end up in large scale violence...
 

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That unfortunately is true.... my one big worry though, is that it gets left for so long that the only solution has to be a massive shift which will end up in large scale violence...
Yep.

It's easier to ignore the problem than to attend to it.

They should send the army in, and crush any noncompliances with a nice, heavy tank.
 

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That unfortunately is true.... my one big worry though, is that it gets left for so long that the only solution has to be a massive shift which will end up in large scale violence...
I really wish we could sort things out, but we also need other 50% help from those who is suppose to help turn the wheels. I was bit cynical when I responded, it's just tiring when you want change and it seems it's not going to happen :(
 

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This campaign of 702 - hug a taxi driver makes me sick.
 

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Piffle.. gimme this instead

[video]http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia#p/u/34/dSp7CipN1pw[/video]
 

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http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/taxi-rivals-open-fire-in-clash-over-routes-1.1224724



As usual nothing will come of this. In all fairness I do see the Metro Cops going after the Taxi guys both in Gauteng and in Ekurhuleni, so it's not really their fault.
I just think the ANC controlled government does not give a crap about people's safety. They do not want to regulate this industry.
Its not unregulated per se. Do you know its next to impossible to get an operating licence? I applied for one the other day (charter, not taxi) and you need Police Clearance, Tax Clearance, Motivation of why you are applying, PDP, Roadworthy Cert, Valid Vehicle Licence, Valid Driver's Licence, Passenger Liability Insurance

On top of that, the government isn't issuing any more taxi operating licences as there's a standing moratorium. The only way to get an operating licence for is buying it from someone (and they go upwards from R40k).

Then you still need to pay R25k to belong to an association, and the association doesn't accept people willy nilly either.

So yeah its far more regulated then what people want to accept.

Please bear in mind I'm just giving you guys the facts, not choosing their sides
 
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An then they go on strike/protest bring the roads to a standstill...
I'm willing to face tough roads for a while, if it will help. And as I work mainly in PTA CBD, I expect that we will see blocked roads if the taxis strike.
 

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This campaign of 702 - hug a taxi driver makes me sick.
702 is good up to a point, but recently I can't help but think that at times they have an agenda or set thought to push through. Even John Robbie says A, but then at some point he surely pushed through B. You can tell when it's not just talk, but a "dogma" they are pushing.
 

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Its not unregulated per se. Do you know its next to impossible to get an operating licence? I applied for one the other day (charter, not taxi) and you need Police Clearance, Tax Clearance, Motivation of why you are applying, PDP, Roadworthy Cert, Valid Vehicle Licence, Valid Driver's Licence, Passenger Liability Insurance

On top of that, the government isn't issuing any more taxi operating licences as there's a standing moratorium. The only way to get an operating licence for is buying it from someone (and they go upwards from R40k).

Then you still need to pay R25 to belong to an association, and the association doesn't accept people willy nilly either.

So yeah its far more regulated then what people want to accept.

Please bear in mind I'm just giving you guys the facts, not choosing their sides
Yep, I thought of buying a couple until I found out the process involved, not to mention the costs.
 

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Santaco calls for more regulation

Its not unregulated per se. Do you know its next to impossible to get an operating licence? I applied for one the other day (charter, not taxi) and you need Police Clearance, Tax Clearance, Motivation of why you are applying, PDP, Roadworthy Cert, Valid Vehicle Licence, Valid Driver's Licence, Passenger Liability Insurance

On top of that, the government isn't issuing any more taxi operating licences as there's a standing moratorium. The only way to get an operating licence for is buying it from someone (and they go upwards from R40k).

Then you still need to pay R25 to belong to an association, and the association doesn't accept people willy nilly either.

So yeah its far more regulated then what people want to accept.

Please bear in mind I'm just giving you guys the facts, not choosing their sides
http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/Story.aspx?Id=81814

South African National Taxi Council (Santaco) called for the taxi industry to be regulated on Wednesday, with warnings that violence will otherwise continue unabated.

One taxi owner was shot and killed and two other people were wounded in Ruimsig on the West Rand in Johannesburg.

Earlier this week, a taxi driver was assaulted.

Santaco's Phillip Taaibosch said the issue was raised with the Transport Department several times before.

“It is unfortunate that we don’t have regulatory powers but we keep appealing to the minister and to government so that the industry can come right.”

Police say they will continue to maintain a police presence at the taxi rank.

It is believed the perpetrators are members of rival taxi associations and that the organisations were fighting over routes.

The police's Tshisikawe Ndou said, “Since last night, the situation remains tense, however, the police are monitoring the situation.”

A case of murder and two counts of attempted murder were opened.
 

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I didn't say they don't have "regulatory powers", I said there are regulations that need to be followed which you and I don't see.

Also, something slightly OT. Had a chat with a fella the other day while I was at the Transportation Board and he told me he requires his drivers to bring in R900 per day and they need to take the van home with a full tank. So there's some serious money in this business. Made me realize the owners carry some of the blame for the drivers always rushing and driving kak to make their daily required minimum.
 

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Its not unregulated per se. Do you know its next to impossible to get an operating licence? I applied for one the other day (charter, not taxi) and you need Police Clearance, Tax Clearance, Motivation of why you are applying, PDP, Roadworthy Cert, Valid Vehicle Licence, Valid Driver's Licence, Passenger Liability Insurance

On top of that, the government isn't issuing any more taxi operating licences as there's a standing moratorium. The only way to get an operating licence for is buying it from someone (and they go upwards from R40k).

Then you still need to pay R25k to belong to an association, and the association doesn't accept people willy nilly either.

So yeah its far more regulated then what people want to accept.

Please bear in mind I'm just giving you guys the facts, not choosing their sides
These all are regulations on being allowed to operate. What most people want is regulation after they received their license, i.e. day to day regulation.
 
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