Teen dies in heist crossfire

Spamhater

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I saw this last night on the e -news, I had tears to my eyes, To see there mother crying out.What is happing to this country, We are not safe anywhere.

Teen dies in heist crossfire
07/12/2007 12:41 - (SA)


Durban - A 16-year old boy was killed by a stray bullet on Friday during a shoot-out between security guards of a cash-in-transit van and armed robbers, police said.

Superintendent Muzi Mngomezulu confirmed the incident, saying that a cash-in-transit van had pulled up at a Standard Bank branch in Durban's Umlazi at about 09:00 when the gunmen struck.

He said details were not immediately available, but that three people - a security guard and two teenage brothers - had been hit by gunfire.

Netcare 911 spokesperson Chris Botha said the security guard and a 15-year-old boy were critically wounded.

The wounded security guard was taken to St Augustines Hospital in Durban and the wounded teenager was taken to Prince Mshiyeni Memorial Hospital in Umlazi.

Botha said attempts to resuscitate the boy's brother were unsuccessful and he was declared dead at the scene.

Mngomezulu said the robbers disarmed the wounded security guard of his R5 rifle.

He said that the robbers had not made off with any of the money boxes and it was also not known how many armed robbers there were.

He said eyewitnesses had reported seeing one of the robbers with an AK47 assault rifle.
 

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I don't think security guards are allowed to wield R5s in the street at all.
 

PeterCH

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I commented on this before. The security company should be sued to death for this, and I mean billions. Its entirely their fault.
Cash should be handled in the backalleys and the guys who carry it should be armed lightly. That would prevent these thugs from using AK's on them and if they do,
at least only the people who are trained/get paid for facing the danger - they would
be at risk instead of them and everyone else (especially people without kevlar vests).
 

PeterCH

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I don't think security guards are allowed to wield R5s in the street at all.
Your skepticism here is incorrect. I see security guards in malls with machine guns and shotguns all the time. They're also wearing thick
bulletproof vests - while I am not. What are the RULES of ENGAGEMENT
for these people? Do they return fire? Do they shoot if bystanders are nearby? Sheesh....
 

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Let's see:

How will government respond?

a. Look at more ways of disarming more civilians?
b. Raise capital gains tax?
c. Increase the travel allowance of cabinet ministers?
d. Tell people who don't like it to leave the country?
e. Release more "interpreted" crime stats?
f. Do nothing.
 

Eugene66

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How can you blame the security company? Today they are criminals for one mistake but when you draw money late at night you are just so happy to see them, and then the bigger their guns the better. If they took them all away tomorrow you would want them back in a week.
If a drug cures more than 90% of its treatments they consider it a success. They wont condemn it for the 10% that died. Unless there is a better solution. Who has one in this case?

Who's to say how many more people would have died if there weren't security people with big guns walking around as a subtle warning to anybody who might get any ideas? And who is going to stand still and get shot when he has gun in his hands?

No its easy to make many judgments from an armchair, but get out there and face that loaded gun with a finger on the trigger and then come back and tell me you thought about it nicely and you did the right thing. If you're still alive.
 

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This is an interesting topic, especially with the number of CIT heists and attacks that seem to happen on a daily basis

PeterCH
the guys who carry it should be armed lightly. That would prevent these thugs from using AK's on them,
Are you really that naive, the criminals would have a field day if this were the case?

The companies are authorised to use R5`s due to the nature of their business and there guards are supposed to be properly trained, although judging by the newspaper reports this is not been done.

As for the Rules of Engagement, I assume that they have the right of self defence, so if they are attacked they can defend themselves.

Cash should be handled in the back alleys
The main reason that this is not done is convenience, as all ATM`s are on the street and it is not possible to build off street access. a possible answer would be for all this work to be done at night, but that brings its own problems.

This is a difficult question and should be seriously looked at by all the role-players
 

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This is O/T but why don't they use helicopters to transport cash?

Sure it's more expensive but when you consider the loss of money and life I'm sure this would be preferable to the current situation.
 

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Platinum going to the Airport from Rustenburg is escorted by a Chopper.

Saw it plenty times, and guess what. They don't get robbed ;)
 

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This is O/T but why don't they use helicopters to transport cash?

Sure it's more expensive but when you consider the loss of money and life I'm sure this would be preferable to the current situation.
This could only be used when transporting money outside of cities and it would also make the robbers target the CIT in town.

So its a double edged sword
 
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