Teen poses with a gun, lands up in hospital with bullet wound in chest - report

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Or you are not at home and your family is in distress and need access to the gun. Going to ask robbers to wait for husband to get home?
 
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Drifter said:
Or you are not at home and your family is in distress and need access to the gun. Going to ask robbers to wait for husband to get home?
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Well that's in contravention of FCA anyway, but will probably not be prosecuted in court if used for valid reasons. The risk is though that something like this happens, then your a$$ could be on the line as the licensed owner.
 
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Drifter said:
Or you are not at home and your family is in distress and need access to the gun. Going to ask robbers to wait for husband to get home?
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What happens to you if you shoot and kill someone with a gun that is not licensed to you/ without having a firearm license?
 
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What if you don't have a pocket? Say you in your PJ's. Or you naked. Having a bath. Swimming in the pool. Etc etc.
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Then you are home and in relative control of the keys (which can then be hidden somewhere or even better, locked in your car and hidden there) and the keys' surroundings to keep an eye on things until you have the clothes on to keep the keys on you (the word temporarily comes to mind). If you KNOW your idiot man-child goes into your room and spends time there smoking whatever, YOU DONT PUT THE KEYS THERE and then take a nap.

Is it practical to keep your keys on you 24/7? Obviously not. But when you have the right clothing on (with pockets), then yes. There is no reason to leave your keys where other people can gain access to them without you knowing.
 
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cyberghost47 said:
What happens to you if you shoot and kill someone with a gun that is not licensed to you/ without having a firearm license?
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You are in such deep sht. You will be charged under the firearms control act.
 
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You are in such deep sht. You will be charged under the firearms control act.
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Not entirely true looking at previous cases in SA, provided you use the gun for legal use such as legitimate self defense. The legal owner MAY need to answer for why you had access to the gun, but I haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted for something like this. This is just my experience of reading gun forums and news cases.
 
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SAguy said:
Well that's in contravention of FCA anyway, but will probably not be prosecuted in court if used for valid reasons. The risk is though that something like this happens, then your a$$ could be on the line as the licensed owner.
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Will perhaps not be charged under the criminal procedures act. But definately under the firearms control act. Both gun owner and person using it. Very first question they ask you, why did other people have access to the gun that only you are supposed to have access to. I know of an imbecile who was late for a SAPS safe inspection. So he called ahead and told his wife to open the safe for the cops doing the inspection. They removed his firearms.
 
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"The bullet went through his left lung before exiting. Luckily it missed all his important organs," Claasen told the publication.
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So having lungs these days are optional? :unsure:
 
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ambroseg1 said:
Then you are home and in relative control of the keys (which can then be hidden somewhere or even better, locked in your car and hidden there) and the keys' surroundings to keep an eye on things until you have the clothes on to keep the keys on you (the word temporarily comes to mind). If you KNOW your idiot man-child goes into your room and spends time there smoking whatever, YOU DONT PUT THE KEYS THERE and then take a nap.

Is it practical to keep your keys on you 24/7? Obviously not. But when you have the right clothing on (with pockets), then yes. There is no reason to leave your keys where other people can gain access to them without you knowing.
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Again, where would you put the keys so that no one else can find them when it's not practical to have the key on you?
 
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SAguy said:
Not entirely true looking at previous cases in SA, provided you use the gun for legal use such as legitimate self defense. The legal owner MAY need to answer for why you had access to the gun, but I haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted for something like this. This is just my experience of reading gun forums and news cases.
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I am sorry, but here we must disagree. This was specifically mentioned during my competency training and a few other debates the local the gun association has on a monthly basis. Like I said, the prosecutor may choose not to charge you with murder or any other crime under the criminal procedures act, but both you and the gun owner will be charged under the firearms control act for illegal possession of a firearm and the gun owner for negligence or something to that effect.
 
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Splinter said:
Again, where would you put the keys so that no one else can find them when it's not practical to have the key on you?
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Simple really. Somewhere where your idiot man-child cannot find it, while high on whatever it is he smokes in your bedroom while you nap.
 
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ambroseg1 said:
I am sorry, but here we must disagree. This was specifically mentioned during my competency training and a few other debates the local the gun association has on a monthly basis. Like I said, the prosecutor may choose not to charge you with murder or any other crime under the criminal procedures act, but both you and the gun owner will be charged under the firearms control act for illegal possession of a firearm and the gun owner for negligence or something to that effect.
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For sure, you are in contravention of the FCA without a doubt. Don't disagree with you, and it's definitely expected that no one can access the safe other than you. Just that it's unlikely that you'll be charged with anything, you may lose your firearm though.

Edit: I've never heard of anyone being charged at least, but it may have happened to others.
 
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