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Sign up with GoogleTelkom-controlled ADSL price war looms
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So we're looking at around R408 for 30GB incl. That certainly is a nice decrease in price. Not enough, but a nice step in the right direction. I wonder if Adept are going to offer 10/20GB accounts. Not everyone will be able to afford or will need the 30GB account.
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I was looking forward to paying R379 for the 10GB Axxess offering come August. Erm, now i'm sure gonna try the 30GB from Adept at just R30 more!!!
Let me say that again, cause it sounds funny to me: For R30 more i can get 20GB more bandwidth???
All of a sudden i am looking forward to August. It is becoming more affordable, but its still expensive.
Let me say that again, cause it sounds funny to me: For R30 more i can get 20GB more bandwidth???
All of a sudden i am looking forward to August. It is becoming more affordable, but its still expensive.
eye_suc said:
You should consider waiting to hear what offers Axxess brings to the table before signing up with Adept. I can't see them undercutting by much, if anything, but they will probably match the price. I've personally never heard of Adept. Has anyone had any experience with them?
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Just remember you still need Telkom to install the adsl.
I wish we could DIY it ourselves.
What is the steps in doing that if you could do that.
I wish we could DIY it ourselves.
What is the steps in doing that if you could do that.
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Thanks bwana and VQuest, will take your advice 
Never heard of them either, but i dont really care at this stage. What they are doing is good for the ADSL users. If they fight it out only we will win, and with Axxess' track record i am sure they wont be far behind Adept. If they closely match Adept i will rather use Axxess because of their brilliant service.
rpm sure made this monday less blue for me
Never heard of them either, but i dont really care at this stage. What they are doing is good for the ADSL users. If they fight it out only we will win, and with Axxess' track record i am sure they wont be far behind Adept. If they closely match Adept i will rather use Axxess because of their brilliant service.
rpm sure made this monday less blue for me
Perhaps. But what is becoming VERY clear to me now, I can start to see why Telkom is SO against giving the ISP freedom, and droping the line rental prices... What money is Telkom going to make?
See the WA threat. How they (the ISP) do it, has been exposed. And yes, that is the way it SHOULD be done. The ISP must make the package, that is what will make the one ISP different from the other at the end of the day. I'll give you 512/256 at 1:30 for X ammount, the other may give you 512/256 at 1:20 for Y amount cheaper. That's what competition is all about.
Let's presume for one second, Telkom removes the line rental from the service... Where would Telkom fit in to that picture to make money? I don't know if I'm painting a clear enough picture, and I'm not defending Telkom here, but things are now becoming bluntantly clear to me... Telkom is DEFINATELY hanging on for survival. It's the only reason I can think of that they are so tight about it to essentially, keep control, and enfore that control. Not only to the users, but to everyone involved - even ICASA to a degree...
See the WA threat. How they (the ISP) do it, has been exposed. And yes, that is the way it SHOULD be done. The ISP must make the package, that is what will make the one ISP different from the other at the end of the day. I'll give you 512/256 at 1:30 for X ammount, the other may give you 512/256 at 1:20 for Y amount cheaper. That's what competition is all about.
Let's presume for one second, Telkom removes the line rental from the service... Where would Telkom fit in to that picture to make money? I don't know if I'm painting a clear enough picture, and I'm not defending Telkom here, but things are now becoming bluntantly clear to me... Telkom is DEFINATELY hanging on for survival. It's the only reason I can think of that they are so tight about it to essentially, keep control, and enfore that control. Not only to the users, but to everyone involved - even ICASA to a degree...
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"So while ISPs using IPConnect to connect to Telkom's ADSL infrastructure must pay tens of thousands of rands per month, Telkom does not connect to the ADSL infrastructure via IPConnect"
Chaps ... what is this IPConnect they are talking about and why does Telkom Internet not to have to use it ???.
Chaps ... what is this IPConnect they are talking about and why does Telkom Internet not to have to use it ???.
No, not quite. The ISPs using IPConnect link directly to the ATM Network yes, but not SPECIFICALLY for DSL, IPDirect is Telkom's service for ATM Connectivity. Thus, IPDirect = high speed leased lines, normally 2MB/s and upwards. Each ATM Link carries a high number of different "cells", and Telkom decides which Cells the other provider's link must and must not get. It's like a massive frame-relay leased line network basically, just using fiber and higher throughput rates (and that's putting it very simple).
That's also a fancy way for IS to make another couple of thousand out of end-users because you MUST sign a contract, and you MUST take their routers (for the static IPs), so that you cannot see the VPN Configurations that is made active on those routers. If those settings did come out, it could be a potential security risk on IS' side.
Again, I stand correct above and below, but unless your VPI / VPC Settings are different from Telkom, you are using Telkom's ATM Network (or rather, Telkom's BRAS) to terminate your connection (ala PPPoE Session), and not another provider. If the settings are the same, you are essentially still terminating on Telkom's Network, and the 1st tier in question (UUNet / IS) is using some form of "traffic redirecting / routing" via a dedicated ATM Circuit or VPN to re-route the traffic over their own network, and thus creating the "effect" of having the DSL terminate on their own equipment.
Again, please, I'm not 100% on this, I MAY VERY WELL BE WRONG! In all honesty, I think ALL other 1st Tier ISPs do NOT have a ATM Link directly to all of Telkom's DSLAMs. They merely have one ATM Link from site 1 to site 2 and re-route all the traffic through that onto their own network (It is even possible that Telkom's Radius Servers can assign UUNet IP Addresses to UUNet's ADSL Customers). Therefore, they also get congested MUCH quicker than Telkom does, because it is one or at the most I'd say 3 34MB ATM Circuits to cary just how many 512kb sessions????
The same can be said about Sentech the same can be said about WDS. A single (5 at most) high speed links, expected to provide a entire country of service... It simply does not work like that. You create a single bottle neck on your network, and all your customers are forced through that bottle neck.
That's also a fancy way for IS to make another couple of thousand out of end-users because you MUST sign a contract, and you MUST take their routers (for the static IPs), so that you cannot see the VPN Configurations that is made active on those routers. If those settings did come out, it could be a potential security risk on IS' side.
Again, I stand correct above and below, but unless your VPI / VPC Settings are different from Telkom, you are using Telkom's ATM Network (or rather, Telkom's BRAS) to terminate your connection (ala PPPoE Session), and not another provider. If the settings are the same, you are essentially still terminating on Telkom's Network, and the 1st tier in question (UUNet / IS) is using some form of "traffic redirecting / routing" via a dedicated ATM Circuit or VPN to re-route the traffic over their own network, and thus creating the "effect" of having the DSL terminate on their own equipment.
Again, please, I'm not 100% on this, I MAY VERY WELL BE WRONG! In all honesty, I think ALL other 1st Tier ISPs do NOT have a ATM Link directly to all of Telkom's DSLAMs. They merely have one ATM Link from site 1 to site 2 and re-route all the traffic through that onto their own network (It is even possible that Telkom's Radius Servers can assign UUNet IP Addresses to UUNet's ADSL Customers). Therefore, they also get congested MUCH quicker than Telkom does, because it is one or at the most I'd say 3 34MB ATM Circuits to cary just how many 512kb sessions????
The same can be said about Sentech the same can be said about WDS. A single (5 at most) high speed links, expected to provide a entire country of service... It simply does not work like that. You create a single bottle neck on your network, and all your customers are forced through that bottle neck.
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Do I understand this correctly ?
Telkom to drop ADSL prices by 18 - 31% ->> assume 25%.
Current ADSL 512kbps = R 79 + 690 + 221 (say) = R 990.00
Telkom drops ISP portion by 25%...
New ADSL 512kbps = R 79 + 690 + 165.75 = R 934.75
Total savings = R55.25 == 5.6%
then Telkom could drop ADSL ISP costs to R1.00 and claim
massive 99.8% drop in ADSL prices - and wipe out the competition.
Telkom to drop ADSL prices by 18 - 31% ->> assume 25%.
Current ADSL 512kbps = R 79 + 690 + 221 (say) = R 990.00
Telkom drops ISP portion by 25%...
New ADSL 512kbps = R 79 + 690 + 165.75 = R 934.75
Total savings = R55.25 == 5.6%
then Telkom could drop ADSL ISP costs to R1.00 and claim
massive 99.8% drop in ADSL prices - and wipe out the competition.
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Come Aug 1st Telkom is dropping the line rental - we know this as they announced the rates in thenOhIwAy said:
June 2nd press release.
Unless I've completely missed the plot we learned today that the ISPs will also be reducing their subscriptions.
So today your 512 home user package would cost r599 plus a 30gb package from a SAIX reseller r600 - you adsl bill would be in the region of R1200 excluding the basic line rental charge of approx r80. After Aug 1st the adsl will cost r499 and your 30gb package r358 - total of r857 - a savings of r343 or 28.5%.
Obviously the isp portion is subject to change and we dont know what all of them will be offering but this gives you an idea.
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It would be in their best interests to respond before that IMO. People, including myself, will want to make decisions before August begins.Razer0 said:They have an announcement in 12days lucifir, wait till then
They most likely will respond tho..