Telkom marketing working overtime...

quik

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Anyone seen the latest Telkom add on TV...

Ugghh, it just makes me sick, it's such a contradiction. They pretend to be making a difference stating at the end 'and it's just the beginning'... The beginning of what ?? One can only hope improved service provision.

Probably the beginning of the siege on the SA consumer, if it could get any worse.

Thought it was pretty good, but felt violated when I saw the Telkom logo at the end.

Enjoy the add, we paid for it.[:p]

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Some of the Telkom adverts I would admit are good. I like the the one of the Fishing Trawler at sea and the fisherman that got woken up in his bunk to be called up to the Bridge. He then sees his wife on the LCD Monitor showing off their new baby. It was a very "touching" advert.
One wonders what technology was used as the advert doesn't actually say so. I could only imagine satellite. So a very "touching" advert is no more informative than knowing that Telkom can reach a trawler at sea. Ermmm, Ok. How did they do it. What technology was used and where can I buy it as I want to buy a trawler tomorrow.[;)]

But the bottom line here. Who pays for these adverts? We all know. It's almost as if Telkom are scared of the impending competition and trying to preserve its image for whats that worth. Or its spending all the excees money on the Income Statement before taxation. And that says they are doing well out of the SA Public.

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Make no mistake: Telkrap's PR people are good, whoever they are. The advertisements they're currently flighting on TV, appeal to the baser senses of viewers - read emotive areas of the brain, pulling at heart-strings, and so on. The one I particularly like, is the elderley gentleman shouting greetings through a handset in a hut on a hill, to his mate in valley below...

It's a real pity that those who are aware of the bigger picture, can only read such images with a large amount of cynicism, generated by Telkrap's anti-service delivery and blatant profiteering actions to date. Unfortunately, this is only a small percentage of telecomms users, it would seem. If only organised business would get their act together - after all, if they comprise 71% of Telkrap's revenues, this would be material consideration for a change/betterment of their operating policies...
 

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Yep I agree. But for businesses the Telkom Account goes on the Income Statement as a expense and for a business, that's a good thing. Perhaps that’s the main reason why none complain.
Only a small business within a budget would look at their expenditures more closely.

On the other hand if Telkom or perhaps a SNO or Sentech had products aimed at business people, like un-crippled ADSL for cheaper then they might weigh up their options. But at the moment, no other options are available and that’s the underlying problem.



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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mbs</i>
<br />Make no mistake: Telkrap's PR people are good, .. If only organised business would get their act together - ...a change/betterment of their operating policies... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

agreed, ........ business won't do it, but I'll tell you what will -
some competitive ads, that's why telkom keeps out competition at all costs.

Oh, ICASA can't you see the simplicity of our nation's "problems".
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by microfast</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mbs</i>
<br />Make no mistake: Telkrap's PR people are good, .. If only organised business would get their act together - ...a change/betterment of their operating policies... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

agreed, ........ business won't do it, but I'll tell you what will -
some competitive ads, that's why telkom keeps out competition at all costs.

Oh, ICASA can't you see the simplicity of our nation's "problems".
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There's a problem with this suggestion, though - as far as I know, the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) will disallow any form of competitive advertising. They'll quickly squash any direct comparisons, hence Sentech's current TV advertising makes no comparitive assessments with the Telkrap service. If organised business (Chamber of Business in its various forms) advises all its members of the potential for reduced operating costs, this'll at least be a step in the right direction...
 

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Competitive ads normally last a few weeks on air as the competitor scrambles to file a complaint with the ASA, as long as there is no direct reference to competition, evidenced by the luxury motor industry's suggestive ads, which were quite entertaining.

I think they don't need to however. Sentech knows that at this stage people are sick of the bad service and 'could care less' attitude Telkom have engaged in.

So rather focus on differentiating factors such as it's portability and always on status. Lets be honest, is ADSL really even an 'always available' service at this stage?, and Diginet falls into a different class.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mbs</i>
...... disallow any form of competitive advertising.... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I tried to save too many words - I should have written :

ads from a competitor or - competitor ads -
 

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Aah, the clarity of communication and the obfuscation of words! [;)][:)]
 

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Their marketing also extends to leaflets - just got one with my phone bill, extolling the virtues of 'GRATIS ADSL-modem van jou keuse ter waarde van R1 500', etc. The most misleading phrase in the leaflet is: 'Met Telkom ADSL kry jy die beste uit die Internet, tuis of op kantoor.' What absolute crap! Excuse the Afrikaans - for some inexplicable reason, they sent me an Afrikaans dead-tree sheet...
 

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Hello all.

Although this will probably disrail this discussion a little I think you have made some very valid points that need some discussion.

I have always wondered why comparitive/competitive advertising has not been allowed in this country. I for one would love to see an ad that highlights the different problems with different products so I can make an informed decision. In the current advertising scenario you have to read as much into what is not being sold as what is being sold. Why can't some expensive german car manufacturer not say that it has "this" which is not offered in the other one. Now you would have to go and see if the other one offers "it" and if "it" does is "it" of the same quality.

I myself thoroughly enjoyed a german ad showing BMs being delivered by a Merc truck. I am sure that if Sentech were allowed to make direct reference to for eg the crappy Telkom call centre it would force Telkom to invest intelligent thought and resources in improving the problem. The ostrich who sticks his head in the sand comes to mind, ie you dont see the problem therefore it must not exist.

And here I must give some concession to Telkom, they are not alone in this matter. Imagine if banks could compare transaction costs in the media, ie ABSA having to handle FNB telling everyone that that their bank charges are 60% less for example. True competition in an open market economy, we can only dream. Polititions could highlight each other's blunders which cost this country millions every year.

The counter is also true where Telkom could highlight the high ping times that Sentech gets so no gamer is going to accidently get Sentech and only afterwards discover that it is no good for online gaming.

I have personal experience of buying a volkswagen which I guess had fallen of a truck or something. The first time it rained the inside was a swimming pool, the central locking stopped working after 3 months, the computer chip burnt out and feul were spewing from the carb after 4 months. Every time VW South Africa fixed it, but it seems only to get it fixed enough to get the car out of the warrenty period.

I guess what I am trying to get to is that there is no accountability in South Africa. Everyone is thinking "How can I get away with something to make money." instead of "How can I deliver a product/service which will keep my client happy." And in cases where they dont "get away" with it, it becomes a challenge to see who has the biggest law firm and the most expensive lawayers to protect them.

So Telkom can spew any kind of crap on their advertising knowing well that if anyone were to act or contest the legality or validity they are are well entrenched behind ASA/ICASA/De Loitt and Touche. By the time anyone can actually do anything about it, millions of people have stepped into the product only to discover it is not what it was advertised at and now you have a 24 month water tight contract(ala Sentech).

Just my musings.[:)]

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Myrrdin

I agree with your sentiments regarding the usefulness of competitive advertising for the consumer. But the ASA's policy banning this type of advertising has forced South African advertising industry to be one of the best in the world, because instead of slamming the competitor's product, they have the start being creative to try and persuade the customer to use "our's" without making reference to "their's"

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I've got no issues with competitive/comparison advertising either, except that it probably will stimulate consumer acquiescence to products they would not normally buy (all things being equal), purely on the basis of supposedly valid comparisons. This does open a whole new can of worms - litigation, shouting matches, etc. (think of the American context).

There's another benefit that our current advertising environment does stimulate: that of the need for thorough investigative journalism. Newspapers regularly do quite comprehensive comparative articles on things like bank rates and charges - as this lies outside of the advertorial context, it is permissable.

What is clearly not permissable is false or misleading advertising - methinks Telkrap is guilty of this, and it would seem Sintech are now equally guilty, based on the recent postings on this forum... *sigh* [V][:(][xx(]
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mbs</i>

There's another benefit that our current advertising environment does stimulate: that of the need for thorough investigative journalism. Newspapers regularly do quite comprehensive comparative articles on things like bank rates and charges - as this lies outside of the advertorial context, it is permissable.
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OUTsurance are going on about a comparative article the Beeld published about the various costs of insurance for an average individual...
I think so the Beeld must run an article like this about ADSL/broadband. Oh, wait, my bad...Telkom's a monopoly, and so are Sentech...

Not much to compare.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mbs</i>
What is clearly not permissable is false or misleading advertising - methinks Telkrap is guilty of this, and it would seem Sintech are now equally guilty, based on the recent postings on this forum... *sigh* [V][:(][xx(]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Well, I suppose we should expect telkom's ad wizards to come up with something very shortly -
with the sentech service level debacle that all are writing about recently ..... damn [xx(]
 

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Speaking of OUTsurance...

They have been quite successful in making use of this non-competitive advertising industry. In a recent advert they state their rates to be better than company X, who shall not be named. I have found in reality however, that OUTsurance is not that cheap, but of course they can state this because no-one may state otherwise. They are now complaining because they know their LIES are going to be exposed in the Beeld.

Instead of the ASA enforcing non-competitive advertising regulations, rather enforce accuracy and truthfulness of information. I think it would be great if Sentech could advertise not to get degraded, limited, capped, port shaped ADSL, from extortionists like Telkom, rather get Sentechs portable bandwidth starved contended offering supported by clueless support staff[:p]

I think this is fairly in line with what MBS stated.

The first thing I normally do when shopping for luxury/once-off-bought goods is to do a feature comparison between all the competitive and substitute products. Unique and standard features, and range of optional extras play a big role. So why not just highlight these in advertising, although they do to an extent, without mentioning names of course.[;)]

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