Telkom Stealing Data from it's users

Conkill

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I read a lot of incidents where Telkom would take data of your Mobile Data instead of taking Data of your Night Surfer Data and I can also now officially confirm that they are in fact doing this.

I have like 3 accounts with Telkom and my 1st account mysteriously used up all the data and had 10GB night time just sitting there that happened within the first 10 days of the month my second account, being school holidays kids do use the internet more, but as a household we make sure that we also use the data after Midnight at the same rate so we don't run into a problem of having no data and only midnight surfer data.

Second account we only started using a couple days ago, but with school holidays over it takes longer for the 10+10GB cap to be used up anyways bottom line I had like just over 9GB of midnight cap left so decided to download a 4.4Gb so I can start using up my midnight cap this downloaded started at 12h30 30 mins after midnight and ended sometime during the night when I woke up this morning I around 5 the download was done, However checking my data usage, I still have 9.6Gb midnight surfer left, and my normal data was at 6.2GB, which clearly indicates that Telkom did not use the correct data for the deductions.

The 3rd account I started downloading a 4GB file 30mins before Midnight and I had to restart this download after midnight because it stopped the 2nd and 3rd account run off different routers, anyways not sure what the hell happend there but seems from that 4Gb only 1 GB was used or deducted of the midnight cap and the rest was deducted form normal cap, so yeah I have such an amazing speed that i managed to download 3GB in 30mins speed record for Telkom at most what I could have downloaded within 30mins would be 1Gb if the connection stays at max.

So now I'm sitting here wondering how much data Telkom actually steals from users that never check there usage, unlike myself i basically have to log into Telkoms website to check my usage because well I have kids and they can go Rambo on data if you don't watch them.

Even worse is how in the world do you actually get something like this resolved within a month, because your data expires at the end of the month and gets reset logging a complain would mean someone have to go check your logs, logs which I think Telkom should actually allow there users to access on the go and not see only at the end of the month on there bill. Not to mention the massive risk you take complaining because oh my word this year alone Telkom screwed up my accounts so badly it's kinda scary, in fact i still have 2 unresolved cases mind you only 1, the 1st one they flippen tricked me into saying problem is resolved because they can\t resolved it and it will take them 3 months before they could attend to my problem that was like 6 or 8 months ago the problem of latency only got worse thus on my second complain they simply just never came back to me with an answer, did not even bother telling me we can't or won;t fix your problem live with it they just don't respond and hope that the query just vanishes, now with this type of service that yes you will be getting who on earth will wanna waste half their life trying to correct a problem in teh first place.

In short the answer to does Telkom steal you data, they in fact do I have solid proof unless their usage facility is broken and giving me wrong numbers they are stealing Data from users by allocating it to your daily limit instead of Midnight limit when you use the internet after midnight. So yeah not only do they do that or does that happend, but as everyone knows at the end of the month they take your remaining bandwith and simply wipe it bandwith that you have actually paid for, so yeah that they steal from everyone.
 

PsYTraNc3

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I've started many downloads before 12 and after 12, it would start taking my night data.
Many times this month also and everything seems to be working exactly as it should.

Maybe this only affects some people?
 

Conkill

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Unfortunately tracking down the randomness of this is almost impossible, all I know is this is happening, not to everyone but only a few, so whether it be the time of month or certain areas who truly knows, what I do know is they are stealing Data from people and it's a pain in the behind to get that back.

It's also scary to know that this is happening, I mean I could be downloading a 8gb game form the xbox store or even steam during nighttime only to discover the next morning I'm out of daytime data and can't browse the internet and then I have to go buy more bandwith at really laughable prices.

Found this thread on the this forum with the exact same problem
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/539719-Normal-data-used-instead-of-Night-Surfer-data

That was almost or more than 2 years ago and that exact same thing is still happening randomly to people, so in the 2 years since they should have discovered there's something wrong, they simply ignore and continue to steal bandwidth form users, I honestly feel like taking them to the what ISPA and see what happens or reporting them to ICASA.
 
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Conkill

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Again, the exact same problem tonight my night time data is not moving and Telkom is taking Data of my normal daytime Data, took screenshots of my bandwith at exactly midnight and yeah midnight bandwith is simply not being used at all during Midnight to 07:00
 

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Again, the exact same problem tonight my night time data is not moving and Telkom is taking Data of my normal daytime Data, took screenshots of my bandwith at exactly midnight and yeah midnight bandwith is simply not being used at all during Midnight to 07:00

To be honest I have not checked in detail. Were which data go's.
All I can say Telkom data = Router data approx..
If you start before 12 and end after 7 most ISP see that as normal data.
My 2cents
 

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Telkom "stealing" your data, eh?

Do you realise the gravity of your accusation? Or is the word "stealing" just a synonym for "i dunno where mah data is"?

If you're over the age of twelve, please scroll up and look at your thread title again. Notice the verb that accuses your provider of a grave moral transgression and serious criminal offence?

Has it occurred to you that the problem might be a misconfiguration, or an error on your part or theirs?

I know you didn't ask, but I'm going to offer you a little tip about how to improve the world:

Before you publicly accuse people of serious moral and criminal violations, make damn sure of your facts. Gratuitously calling people criminals poisons public discourse and needlessly brings contention.

It is also unjust.

Please provide more evidence of their stealing. And if you feel you have a case, report it at your nearest police station. Theft is still a crime.
 
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Johnatan56

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Telkom "stealing" your data, eh?

Do you realise the gravity of your accusation? Or is the word "stealing" just a synonym for "i dunno where mah data is"?

If you're over the age of twelve, please scroll up and look at your thread title again. Notice the verb that accuses your provider of a grave moral transgression and serious criminal offence?

Has it occurred to you that the problem might be a misconfiguration, or an error on your part or theirs?

I know you didn't ask, but I'm going to offer you a little tip about how to improve the world:

Before you publicly accuse people of serious moral and criminal violations, make damn sure of your facts. Gratuitously calling people criminals poisons public discourse and needlessly brings contention.

It is also unjust.

Please provide more evidence of their stealing. And if you feel you have a case, report it at your nearest police station. Theft is still a crime.

If they misconfigured it, it is an error on their part, and if done on purpose can be construed as theft. Even if not done on purpose, you are still "stealing" from your customer and should reimburse him.
@OP, PM TelkomZA. I agree with Arthur that it is most likely a configuration error rather than them trying to "steal" your data.
 

Conkill

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I have 2 routers on 2 different Telkom contracts

1st router image taken on 28 October 2015 00:09, Digitally times tamp by image capture software and by windows file creation in case anyone was wondering made them as small as I could
ScreenHunter_06 Oct. 28 00.09.png

I was up late had some work to do, plus wasn't sure if Telkom will be doing it again, unfortunately for me there usage site was down til after 03:00 so anyways next screenie was taken on 28 October 2015 03:14
ScreenHunter_07 Oct. 28 03.14.png

The total amount of bandwith downloaded amounted to 3.7GB that's excluding any upload data

2nd Router same time same scenario
ScreenHunter_07 Oct. 28 00.09.png

Then took the screenie again at same time as above
ScreenHunter_08 Oct. 28 03.14.png

The total amount of bandwith downloaded on this router 2.39GB

Both routers where basically idle 2 hours prior to me taken the first screenshot of the bandwidth usage from Telkoms website, which is fairly accurate and yeah had no extra bandwidth that was not accounted for.

I also did not relay on any apps or programs to tell me in the mornings what I have used I stayed up and worked till after 3 this exact same thing has happend to my 3rd account only problem is I did not realize this soon enough.

Now whether it's on purpose or some configuration error it's on black and white that Telkom is stealing my Daytime bandwith when they should be taking data of the midnight data package.

As everyone can clearly see it is happening on 2 of my accounts using 2 routers at the exact same time, both routers where also restarted after midnight and if this is happening to me I will bet you a million dollars it's happening to some poor sod that never checks the bandwidth usage and on your Telkom bill by default you won't get a detailed log report so this is something that would go unnoticed and something that has been happening for more than 2 years now
 

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I wont get involved with the "stealing" or "not stealing" argument, but my experience with Telkom Mobile is that my data disappeared at an unbelievable rate (10Gb gone in the first week or two of the month, quite consistently for about 6 months).

Eventually I gave up and went back to ADSL. I now seldom use more than 10gb in a whole month, even though I use it far more freely.

It just dosn't add up.
 

Conkill

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Yeah, nothing ever adds up with Telkom, the sad reality is I need them to provide me with internet and I can't live without them, neither vodacom nor any other wireless provided at this point in time can give you the same amount of data as you get with one of the Telkom contracts, and ADSL would be so possible if they didn't keep stealing the copper cables for that at least we won't blame Telkom but our wonderful government.

My wife reported this yesterday and their first response was you should take out your sim card out of your router and switch it of then switch it back on after midnight so it will kick in, there's nothing they can do about it, after my wife got upset they said ok they will look into it and that will take 72 hours.

The sad reality about this is, is the fact that Telkom uses contractor's to handle their support which means the person you are calling does not really have all the information required to properly handle such a query and have to refer the problem to another department, when at this day and age with our technology we have at hand, the person that handle the support query should have been able to right there and then access the logs, see that there's a problem with data configuration and immediately fix that problem on the spot and then refer the problem to the closest base station for investigation into the configuration, now that is what I would call support, my next step is now to launch a stupid complain at hellopeter which I will do tomorrow, and then maybe 2 weeks down the line via some amazing luck things would be fixed, as for me being able to use my midnight bandwith it's still a no go and still taking of the daytime cap.

Now taking this into account I don't blame anyone with similar problems to simply leave Telkom and go somewhere else, as for me I'm stuck with them unless I move somewhere else
 

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Happened to us at the beginning of October. My 10GB + 10GB contract ran out on Friday 9th sometime during the afternoon. I wasn't sure if my PC did updates but it didn't add up. So I switched to my wifes contract which had 6GB free, checked that all PC's were switched off and went to bed. Saturday morning I wake up and my wife says that she cannot connect. I check and all the data is gone !

After numerous phone calls , they tell me that the 6GB was used between 12 that night and 12:10 .... must have been a hellava download , but all my PC's were switched off.

Haven't heard back from them , so apart from putting this on HelloPeter not sure what else to do .... :(
 

Conkill

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Yeah I launched my query with them about the issue and so far nothing came from that, next step is hellopeter, but that's became one useless site for me when it comes to Telkom, because Telkom will always reply and then you never hear form Telkom again and hellopeter does not allow you to re-open the issue or even post a comment on there so hellopeter for me simply don't work.

I think what I need to do is simply continue to escalate this get the logs and report them to ICASA and ISPA would be wodnerfull if they are force to provide losg for all their customers for 1 month so ICASA can check them, because we are getting screw over and proably all the time, we just don't always realize it.
 
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Can you see your connected devices on your router? How secure is your wifi?
 

dr_anton

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Hi Conkill. I know this thread is old but have you made any progress resolving this issue?
I have been struggling with this for 16 months - data just disapears while all my devices are switched of and I have Wifi passwords the lot!
They even took 5 GIG from an account whilst the modem was switched of completely! They're still trying to provide a clever answer how the data downloaded probably via osmosis or something. I'm fed up with this...
 

Conkill

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No results told me all was fine , also never showed me the logs, my wi-fi is turned off, and I did some screen prints of my data before midnight and then again just before 7 in the morning, midnight bandwith never moved normal dropped like a rock.

I've been busy phasing Telkom out, canceling all my contracts with them when contract expires and moving elsewhere, the Telkom of today is not the Telkom we had years ago right now they fit in perfectly with other government owned companies like Eskom and SA Post office, the word proud of has no meaning to these companies.
 

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Was at Telkom today. The guys explanation to me was that because I'm now on 4G LTE at 150mbps instead of the adsl line it is using more bandwidth. Can't see how speed affects the amount of data you use?
 

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Was at Telkom today. The guys explanation to me was that because I'm now on 4G LTE at 150mbps instead of the adsl line it is using more bandwidth. Can't see how speed affects the amount of data you use?

That's a bullschit story, unless your browsing patterns changed because of faster Internet.
 

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Ones youtube videos might all play in 1080p on the fast LTE, while on 2MB uncapped ADSL is shows in 360 or 480 if set to Auto... so youtube streaming can affect data used.
 
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