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loosecannon
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the window of opertunity for sentech is closing ... they esentialy shot themselves in the foot with what appears a bad bussiness plan ...
... and then shot themselves in the OTHER foot by putting Marcel Raath in charge of Marketing.
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here's the longer ITWeb article about Telkom's WiMAX testing:
http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2004/0409101120.asp
interesting quote:
<i>"September says this move could see Telkom winning back some of the customers it lost to Sentech, particularly as the wireless connectivity provider has not been popular with its customers recently."</i>
Jacques
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http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2004/0409101120.asp
interesting quote:
<i>"September says this move could see Telkom winning back some of the customers it lost to Sentech, particularly as the wireless connectivity provider has not been popular with its customers recently."</i>
Jacques
CT
Looks good.
As much as we love to hate Telkom, due to thier monopolistic practices, at least they KNOW what they are doing.
I love the reference to Sentech in the article - my god, no amount of damage control can save Sentech now, once it's hit street level and the average joe hears how bad Sentech is, well, it's too late. [
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Next year is going to hopefully start a minor broadband revolution we hoped would happen this year - sure, we're not going to get the kind of price/speed that the USA and UK have - but it looks like broadband entry level connectivity will finally be available !
All I hope for is uncapped 512k, or a large cap like 10GB at R700 a month, with decent latency. I'd be in internet heaven !
As much as we love to hate Telkom, due to thier monopolistic practices, at least they KNOW what they are doing.
I love the reference to Sentech in the article - my god, no amount of damage control can save Sentech now, once it's hit street level and the average joe hears how bad Sentech is, well, it's too late. [
]Next year is going to hopefully start a minor broadband revolution we hoped would happen this year - sure, we're not going to get the kind of price/speed that the USA and UK have - but it looks like broadband entry level connectivity will finally be available !
All I hope for is uncapped 512k, or a large cap like 10GB at R700 a month, with decent latency. I'd be in internet heaven !
playkiller no.2
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What`s the download and upload rate for this WiMAX
Google is so smart,I typed in Hellkom and guess what google said
Don`t you mean.....<insert evil laugh>
TELKOM!
Google is so smart,I typed in Hellkom and guess what google said
Don`t you mean.....<insert evil laugh>
TELKOM!
playkiller no.2
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Well stress levels will be down,you have more money left over instead of calling sentech all the time.
Google is so smart,I typed in Hellkom and guess what google said
Don`t you mean.....<insert evil laugh>
TELKOM!
Google is so smart,I typed in Hellkom and guess what google said
Don`t you mean.....<insert evil laugh>
TELKOM!
Wimax is a truely revolutionary technology.
When Wimax is affordable to consumers they will NEVER be at the mercy of telcos for local coms EVER again.
-Information anarchist-
www.sentechhatesfreespeech.org.za
I support:
www.telkom.fokkensuig.co.za
www.poopband.co.za
www.hellkom.co.za
Read about MaD of hellkom being sued for R5million by Telkom:
http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4316
When Wimax is affordable to consumers they will NEVER be at the mercy of telcos for local coms EVER again.
-Information anarchist-
www.sentechhatesfreespeech.org.za
I support:
www.telkom.fokkensuig.co.za
www.poopband.co.za
www.hellkom.co.za
Read about MaD of hellkom being sued for R5million by Telkom:
http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4316
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by playkiller no.2</i>
<br />What`s the download and upload rate for this WiMAX
Google is so smart,I typed in Hellkom and guess what google said
Don`t you mean.....<insert evil laugh>
TELKOM!
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From what I heard, 54mbps over 45KM
<br />What`s the download and upload rate for this WiMAX
Google is so smart,I typed in Hellkom and guess what google said
Don`t you mean.....<insert evil laugh>
TELKOM!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
From what I heard, 54mbps over 45KM
Also read between the lines in that article .. they're not planning on competing with other broadband offerings but rather trying to pitch yet another overpriced "premium" product to a different *small* market segment (those who need portability). In other words rather than a mainstream product with mainstream competitive pricing (i.e. utilise economies of scale to offer a low price to many people, like broadband is in other countries), they're going to keep the price high and sell it to a small number of mainly business users and hobbyists who are specifically interested in the portability aspect. This neatly prevents them from having to lower their ADSL prices in response to a cheap wireless offering as well as prevents them from having to spend any money upgrading their local bandwidth infrastructure to accomodate hundreds of thousands of broadband users as should be the case (even though they have the money to do it .. disgusting).
Telkom will not compete with itself, i.e. they don't want the WiMAX division to compete with the ADSL division (even though they will give the impression that the two compete in the media by touting the benefits of each) .. so they pitch each product at a different market. Expect to see ADSL prices remain similar, and for WiMAX prices to come in in a similar price range to ADSL, and with Telkom making a lot of noise about "business users who want portability" rather than Joe Public.
The only hope is if a company like iBurst decide to compete in the mainstream market. Sentech is out - we already know they're using the "premium pricing for small market size" model, Vodacom won't do it because Telkom owns 'em, MTN do whatever Vodacom does anyway ... so the only company that might still decide to go for "economies of scale" (i.e. low price e.g. R350/mo and hundreds of thousands of users) is WBS with iBurst. Let's hold thumbs, because that is what SA needs - not YET ANOTHER overpriced "premium" product aimed at the wealthiest 0.05% of the country, but a price at which at least 20 or 30% of employed people could afford (for comparison ADSL has around 10,000 users and Sentech probably between 2000 and 3000, off a population of 40,000,000 and a "first economy" population of probably at least 5,000,000 - so these numbers are WAY too low - compare to e.g. in the US where over 50% of the population (150,000,000 people) now have access to broadband at home). If just one company does it here, and succeeds, it could trigger some *true* competition and price wars here. Economies of scale can be effective in broadband because then you get all those users who use very little bandwidth subsidising the high-bandwidth users, but you do need to invest in big infrastructure - the problem here is they aim only at the early adopters who are usually the high-bandwidth users, and their prices are so high they pat themselves on the back for only getting the early adopters.
In developed countries broadband is a horizontal market. In SA they turn it into a vertical market, because it's easier to skim a lot of money off a few of the wealthiest people if there is no competition.
Telkom will not compete with itself, i.e. they don't want the WiMAX division to compete with the ADSL division (even though they will give the impression that the two compete in the media by touting the benefits of each) .. so they pitch each product at a different market. Expect to see ADSL prices remain similar, and for WiMAX prices to come in in a similar price range to ADSL, and with Telkom making a lot of noise about "business users who want portability" rather than Joe Public.
The only hope is if a company like iBurst decide to compete in the mainstream market. Sentech is out - we already know they're using the "premium pricing for small market size" model, Vodacom won't do it because Telkom owns 'em, MTN do whatever Vodacom does anyway ... so the only company that might still decide to go for "economies of scale" (i.e. low price e.g. R350/mo and hundreds of thousands of users) is WBS with iBurst. Let's hold thumbs, because that is what SA needs - not YET ANOTHER overpriced "premium" product aimed at the wealthiest 0.05% of the country, but a price at which at least 20 or 30% of employed people could afford (for comparison ADSL has around 10,000 users and Sentech probably between 2000 and 3000, off a population of 40,000,000 and a "first economy" population of probably at least 5,000,000 - so these numbers are WAY too low - compare to e.g. in the US where over 50% of the population (150,000,000 people) now have access to broadband at home). If just one company does it here, and succeeds, it could trigger some *true* competition and price wars here. Economies of scale can be effective in broadband because then you get all those users who use very little bandwidth subsidising the high-bandwidth users, but you do need to invest in big infrastructure - the problem here is they aim only at the early adopters who are usually the high-bandwidth users, and their prices are so high they pat themselves on the back for only getting the early adopters.
In developed countries broadband is a horizontal market. In SA they turn it into a vertical market, because it's easier to skim a lot of money off a few of the wealthiest people if there is no competition.
CrazyMadMan
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Well said Telkum and Sucktech suck
Fantasy is what people want, reality is what they need.
Fantasy is what people want, reality is what they need.
The good thing is that we will finally get to see an 802.16 implementation
here in South Africa. For those of us who are watching this whole
802.16 vs 802.20 vs 3G episode, we will now have all three in local operation.
Although the jury is still out... the WiMax 802.16 standard is already getting the
best odds and most attraction (With Intel behind it can it really fail?).
Although 802.20 has failed to get ratification it is attracting attention in
high speed commuter applications. As for 3G…. Sentech is currently doing both 802.16 and 802.20 a HUGE favour!!!
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here in South Africa. For those of us who are watching this whole
802.16 vs 802.20 vs 3G episode, we will now have all three in local operation.
Although the jury is still out... the WiMax 802.16 standard is already getting the
best odds and most attraction (With Intel behind it can it really fail?).
Although 802.20 has failed to get ratification it is attracting attention in
high speed commuter applications. As for 3G…. Sentech is currently doing both 802.16 and 802.20 a HUGE favour!!!
<font size="1"><font color="black">Bay of Plenty :</font id="black"><font color="blue"> Signal 48% - SNL 17 - ber 71% :</font id="blue"><font color="green"> D-Link DI-604 - PPPoE :</font id="green"><font color="orange"> 8dBi Patch Antenna :</font id="orange"> Firmware 5.0.1.60</font id="size1">
Agreed there dbnnet... Had some low power 802.16 gear for a couple of days last week ... nice ... cannot wait to see what Telkom do with it ... Actually I can ... if ADSL is anything to go by WiMAX will run at 1 third of it's rated specification and at 5 times the world average price.