Telkom wants another look at Icasa ADSL findings

[rpm]

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__business/&articleid=247104

"Icasa said it has not received any formal objection from Telkom"

Strange indeed.

 

[Peapod]

because they have no other leg to stand on but to try and "educate" ICASA on their network topographies and architecture. One way or another they are goin to have to justify themselves, and to justify themselves, they are going to have to make an awful lot of their business model and their technical model public knowledge. One wonders if Telkom are really prepeared for such close public scrutiny as this. So no, I am not suprised they have made no official complaint to ICASA

 

[LoneGunman]

Understand that at this point, tactically, Telkom are trying to use the court of public opinion to control the damage from the Report.

Therefore, every newspaper in the country needs letters appearing on their letters page, and their internet journalists need to be contacted and chatted with. Government bodies and individuals need to get FAXES. Hard copy that they can wave around. Across all Party lines, the faxes and phone calls need to go out.

Phone YOUR member of parliament and make them aware of this blackmail that Telkom is threatening.

Whoever 'owns' this current news spin - wins the game. So its not really about any formal anything with ICASA - its about how this is 'sold' to the public and the Media.

Get faxing, graffitti'ing, phoning and writing to newspapers..

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

I've just e-mailed the DA with the revelant ICASA Report and the threatining of them to take ICASA to court!

I'm also going to be writing to the Cape Times & Cape Argus very soon so watch those newspapers!

 

[life|form]

Telkom must not be allowed to 'educate' ICASA away from the public (which it certainly looks like they are trying to do). By the time we know what has happened, ICASA will have withdrawn the ADSL report, and will be pushing for an increase in price (Okay, it's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my point).

It must be stressed to ICASA that any of it's dealings with Telkom (or MyADSL for that matter) must be open to public scrutiny, in the interests of transparency. Telkom have made it clear to ICASA that they do not appreciate not being part of the decision making process (even though they were), and the same must apply here.

 

[bb_matt]

Understand that at this point, tactically, Telkom are trying to use the court of public opinion to control the damage from the Report.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing earlier.

They've gone into "damage avoidance mode" and have the financial capability to churn out press release after press release. They can also "buy" as many "journalists" as they need.

Bombard the media with their indignation at these outrageous findings and "politely" question ICASA's technical knowledge.

Personally, I think this strategy is going to backfire on them.

At this stage, I dought that anyone not involved in IT, or an avid internet user, is even aware of this debacle or even care, but if it keeps on at this pace, I can see it spilling out into the mainstream press - possibly a headline.

I hope so !

 

[Dovi]

What the hell is going through Telkom's mind? Are they so damn stupid to see that although they'll lose R250mil or so per year if line rental is dropped - THEY'LL AQUIRE THOUSANDS MORE CUSTOMERS!!!!! ***** basic economic management here...

 

[Celemasiko]

Threatening publicly was the worst mistake Telscum has ever done. Now they have wakend up sleeping dogs and even bigshots like IFP are stepping in. Well done Mr. White!!!..

 

[doekvoet]

Yet again Telkom only talks about the line rental side - it appears as if they have accepted that the cap must be increased or done away with, that port shaping should go, that local bandwidth usage should not be measured and that fixed IP's be allocated to users.

If this is the case, and these things, apart from line rental, are implemented, and provided line rental keeps on coming down as the user base grows, I suppose I will be able to live with it.

 

[LoneGunman]

As I posted elsewhere - every time there's a suspicious article from a journalist who appears to have simply regurgitated a Telkom PR handout - their Editor should be phoned and faxed, so that that journalist is taken 'out of play' (& reprimanded at least.)

Journalists have 'bosses' - they don't like letting the public know this, but they very definitely do. So when a journalist crosses the line, and prints something that's clearly incorrect - you phone/fax the newspaper and get hold of their boss and let rip.

Its a kind of chess game now, so 'removing Telkom's pieces' (paid lazy journalists) once they've been played by Telkom, is part of the process.

Telkom's biggest defense currently, is to desperately avoid the following statement being spread in the Media:

'Any talk of 'competition' in the local internet market by Telkom, is a deliberate lie - because Telkom owns and controls the internet pipe itself. So there is no competition to its own thumbsucked prices."

 

[kifoth]

Echo chamber

Its a kind of chess game now, so 'removing Telkom's pieces' (paid lazy journalists) once they've been played by Telkom, is part of the process.

Telkom's biggest defense currently, is to desperately avoid the following statement being spread in the Media:

'Any talk of 'competition' in the local internet market by Telkom, is a deliberate lie - because Telkom owns and controls the internet pipe itself. So there is no competition to its own thumbsucked prices."

Can I suggest setting up a new thread which lists ALL newspaper articles on this subject, with all available contact details for that paper and a header that encourages people to write in?

If one of the MyADSL Masters does it, it'll get more attention...

 

[Kabal]

This is africa "educate" means we pay you to STFU , a bribe in other words , or a threat .

 

[qdada]

same thing happens in congress in the USA.

 

[gljackson]

How can mr white say that Icasa listened to, and I quote "people who have never run a network".

Was there not representation at the hearings from several Major SA ISP's

 

[Siembambaa]

Threatening publicly was the worst mistake Telscum has ever done. Now they have wakend up sleeping dogs and even bigshots like IFP are stepping in. Well done Mr. White!!!..

Exactly, by that threat they have let the mask slip and let the average person get a glimpse of their grasping corporate culture and greed.

 

[Kalvaer]

What the hell is going through Telkom's mind? Are they so damn stupid to see that although they'll lose R250mil or so per year if line rental is dropped - THEY'LL AQUIRE THOUSANDS MORE CUSTOMERS!!!!! ***** basic economic management here...

Just thought of something when readin this post.. Steve white mentioned there are 19000 ADSL users on backlog... Could this not be the reason why Telkom is worried about dropping line rental, This will cause thousands of people to order ADSL right away.. and Telkom wont be able to keep up, add to the fact that the new SNO is getting ready to move in, etc.. They could be worried that if they tell customers there is a 4 month wait.. people will move to the SNO.. IE the final straw to the preverbial camels back story

 

[Clipse]

Employ more, spend more to get more users.. Basic economics again..

There will be no worries if they make provision which will cost them more.. You cant get everything for nothing.

 

[Kalvaer]

But how can they justify employing more people since they have just had to lay so many off... They would then be in trouble with not only ICASA but also quite a few goverment organisations and have a few more lawsuits on their hands