Telkom's attitude

kaspaas

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This morning I was witness once again to Telkom's attitude.

A client's ADSL was not working, and they duly called the helpdesk (the secretary who is not superb technically but not an idiot either).

The helpdesk insinuated that the setup was wrong it is all their fault and they employ idiots as IT consultants blablabla.

They will send a technician at the client's cost to rectify what the consultants screwed....

Fortunately the client called me before accepting the offer of paying Telkom to fix the problem.

The problem was Telkom - and fixed in not time at all when I called the helpdesk.

Warning to Telkom: Sometime or other I'm going to set a trap and record your helpdesk's abusive statements. And then I'm going to sue you for insinuating that I'm not delivering a profesional service to my clients and only your techies can correct the problem!



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ASF

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kaspaas - bloody good idea - when you have a number of logged instances you will be able to make a complaint at very least, if not sue them for defamation and loss of business...
 

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Of all the stupid, moronic, idiotic stances I've ever come across, this one must take the cake:

I've had ADSL since October last year, and have been a Telkom user for more than 30 years, taking pride in the fact that I've never defaulted on any payments. Everything seemed hunky-dory till 3 months ago, when I received a call from their accounts people, saying that I'd 'exceeded my limit'. My response was essentially 'Heh?', not knowing what this was all about. It was then explained to me that they had a 'credit policy', had exceeded the credit limit, and had to make a payment within 5 days.

My perfectly justifiable response was that I had no knowledge of any 'credit limit' or ceiling of any kind, that I had not asked for a credit review to be done, that my payment history should reflect that I posed no risk of default, that I had not at that stage received a statement of account reflecting any amount owed, and that I resented being bothered about payment of a few Rand that exceeded a 'limit', which I had no knowledge of in the first place.

All of this went completely over the head of the moron who had phoned me, so I just gave up and said I'd deposit whatever was owed, via Internet banking (which, on reflection, I probably should not have done). Be all that as it may, the very next month the same thing happened - a call from some idiot about my 'limit' being exceeded. This time, I gently said that she should refer to her supervisor for guidance on how to handle my account, ensuring that she did whatever needed to be done to remove my continued recording on her follow-up list, as I resented being contacted about this. She suggested that I should ask for a higher 'credit limit'.

Now, if there was ever an idiotic suggestion, this was it - since when do you ask a customer to set his/her own credit limit, particularly when there is no apparent need for it in the first place? Is the essence of credit management not to minimise outstanding debtors, which providing <i>carte blanche</i> regarding credit limits in this manner, blatantly contradicts?

Realising that this idiot was merely trying to do her job, and that she was genuinely trying to help rectify what appeared to be a problem according to their current policies, I gently said 'Sure, ask your supervisor to fix the credit limit amount', or words to that effect, and ended the call. At that stage I had already received a statement of account anyway, and subsequently merely made payment of the reflected balance as per normal, well within the due date.

I essentially forgot about all this till 2 days ago, when once again, I received a call from them. This time, I practically exploded, and came very close to verbal abuse of an extreme kind - fortunately, I managed to bite down on the f's and b's. I nevertheless made it quite clear that this was unacceptable, and that I expected a call from her supervisor about this. Well, lo and behold, I received a call from somebody called Claudia this morning, whose approach was: "Sir, I've been told you've asked for an increase on your credit limit, but you haven't said what it should be. Could you please give me a new amount?"

If you've ever heard of a 'pregnant pause', well - that's what happened, while I waited for the red spots dancing in front of my eyes to fade away, and regain some semblance of normality. When I eventually reached this point (it must have been at least one whole minute before I replied, without even a query from her as to whether I was still on the line), I once again attempted to explain that all of this was ridiculous, and that their credit policy, procedure and practice needed to be reviewed. It had also dawned on me that this problem was probably caused by Telkrap's rates increase in January - after all, I had no problem previously, despite having ADSL since October last year, and with no change in my usage patterns on the voice service whatsoever (except for a short period in December, when I was away). Says a lot about Telkrap management - they did not think about the affect a rates increase would have on their credit collection policies, their billing standards, their service standards, their customer relationships, etc. Even if they did, it was probably only superficially done - they were probably blinded by the prospective revenue boost, the impact on their shareholder value, and that nice new Yengeni or X5 they saw in the showroom during office hours the previous day...

If I had any expectations that I would be understood - well, what a forlorn hope! To cut a long story short, her standpoint was that she could do nothing except set a credit limit of anything between R1500 and R6500 (which I had to decide on), that their policies were 'approved by incasa[sic]' , and that if I had any suggestions about their policies, I should write to 'incasa'. Despite spending what seemed to be at least 10 minutes on the phone with her, explaining what real credit management was all about (I used to be the Credit Manager for a large multi-national corporate), I made absolutely no headway whatsoever! The words of the Jethro Tull song 'Thick as a Brick' echoed eerily in the back of my mind, as I spoke... Be all that as it may, I eventually called it quits - I have better things to do with my time, than tilt at windmills. I said to her that she should set the credit limit at R2000, and not bother me again.

Well, that's my Telkrap story for the day - I'm not going to bother submitting anything to ICASA, despite Claudia's suggestion, as that would merely make me hot under collar again. Now to go make some green tea...
 

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Thanks for the post MBS.

After reading your lengthy story, I am now preparing myself for the day when Telkom phones me with the same query as Im sure I have also overrun my "credit limit". Not that I know what amount it is anyway.[:D] What a bunch of incompetent fools. I have never ever heard of such a load of bull in my whole life. On my credit card it says their very clearly what my revolving and budget credit limits are and who I can phone if I ever need to increase it from anywhere in the world for that matter.

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That is perhaps a good idea. Perhaps we should start recording these bad service calls and putting the audio on a website...

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kaspaas

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Poor RPM - he won't be able to pay for the hours of recorded "Your call is important to us blahblahblah.." Telkom feeds its clients.

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The biggest problem with Telkom support is level of knowledge.

For instance say there is a DNS problem, the DNS-Admins and most likely the networking dept guys (the level og knowledge is with them) know but unless they get off there ass and tell someone in support to update the notices no one knows. don't forget they check a notice system to see if anything is "down". if there is no notice, it is either new (if you get a tech that checks into it) or not "down".
 

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Yes, I'll confirm that, we've reported DNS faults many times and had to physicaly prove it to them before they'd even admit there was any posible problem or check if there was.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by DFantom</i>
<br />For instance say there is a DNS problem, the DNS-Admins and most likely the networking dept guys (the level og knowledge is with them) know but unless they get off there ass and tell someone in support to update the notices no one knows. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I wonder what the tolerance levels within Telkom are to faults vs staff?

I've experienced in my previous live in a corporate that officially one was encouraged to report problems one experienced, but that such early reports were counted by the Boss and at increase time silently held against one "the systems you managed were known to be less reliable than the avarage in the company"

Guess they get silent flack every time a prob is reported - so rather keep quiet.



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antowan

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But Kaspaas, that is why there is a devisional level difference between technical and service staff. The staff who take the calls should be encouraged to report faults and be praised for proficient handling of customer complaints. They report the errors through an appropriate system to the technical department who have to fix it. The technical staff cannot live in denial because the service department are encouraged to report faults.

Thus the technical guys cannot hide their mistakes and are forced to get it right. If there is a discrepency between the ammount of complaints and the faults reported to the technical departments head then he must enquire and nail whoever is the idiot responsible.

That is the best way to ensure that the technical guys do their job right and thus avoid faults...

If this is the case at Telkom, I don't know... It is all about checks and ballances. The service department head should make sure the technical department head is in the know of errors, simple and done!

[;)]

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kaspaas

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But Antowan,

the practice of the helpdesk indicates otherwise.

It is indicative of an attitude "at Telkom we are never at fault"

I get the idea that reporting that Telkom is at fault is a terrible thing!

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