Tesco and Microsoft bang another nail into DVD's coffin

[I am Penguin]

 

[Gomario]

Stupid heading. The DVD will be 'killed' by the memory stick/ portable hard drive (if ever). At best this might dampen sales of the much hyped by fairly useles blue ray format.

 

[Gomario]

Yes, I did read the article The BlueRay was supposed to kill the DVD too. The whole thing is a 'eye catching' header. The DVD will be with us for years to come - after that . . . Direct Download, USB-3 Portable micro Hard Drive, Hi capacity Usb-3 memory stick and oh yes (almost forgot) the oldish BlueRay Disk. In 2005 BlueRay was cutting edge, in 2015 it will be all history A 10TB micro HardDrive or a 1TB memory stick is ways more appealing. What is 50GB between friends. You go to your local caffe down the road, in a corner see a sort of ATM, insert your memory stick, punch your secret code and download 10 HD play once movies. Welcome to 2015 For your home collection you can use your 10TB hard drive to store . . . (you do the maths) at a quarter the price. Where exactly does BlueRay fit in? I don't say they won't be there but they won't play such a big role as the DVD played in the 2000/10.

 

[PeterCH]

It seems that this will be yet another DRM protected format with the content provider having yet more control over the user and his right to view content or not.

Will you be able to resell this on the second hand market as easily as Bluray or DVD?
NO.
Will MS/Tesco be able to shut this down on your PC?
Probably YES.
Will they push ads and trailers?
YES.
Will the quality REALLY be DVD/BD like?
Note their use of the 'near DVD quality' which means this will look like DVD on a stand alone display but when compared to a DVD playing next to it it will fail.
NO THANK YOU.

All in all I don't see anything great for the consumer here, these extra bonuses are just ads for further releases and gimmicky shorts which have an advertising value for the producer but very little value for the consumer - unless the consumer gets his high from watching ads and listening to interviews where actors 'eh' and 'er' their way around easy questions. Publicity paid for with the consumers' money.

 

[PeterCH]

You meaning to say that the incumbents will use their legit right to prevent illegal copying by pirates to ensure a reasonable income for their created content that everyone wants for free without any compensation to the creator?

In see no problem there.

Well I do. Suppose the provider goes out of business or his DRM server goes off line or suppose I buy a new computer.

In case you haven't noticed the world is moving DRM free - Amazon, iTunes, Gog.com etc. Format shifting and backups are also PROTECTED under local and foreign copyright law. It's called Fair Use in the US.

I'm happy with DVD and won't buy into this BS - but you go ahead and buy into it if you want.

Heard of DivX?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX_(Digital_Video_Express)

What a great success that was.

 

[Gomario]

Few people know - BlueRay has been with us for the past 4years ! The disc capacity can be enhanced to more then 50GB indeed. In reality not even the 50GB has caught up. Just like DVD's (4.7 vs 8.4GB). The reason is simple :ECONOMICS ! As CH correctly points out, (new) compression codecs are released every year (as computer power goes up so does the algorithms/compression ratio) Memory sticks only average 4GB (as of 2009). Not quite enough for HD movie transfer. Give another 4-5years and we talk again. The BlueRay disc format is simply to big to be practical beyond 2015. If dvd still outsell BlueRay by 2012-13 then we might just as well go other roads to transfer data. The options will be all there (if you or I want or not)

 

[PeterCH]

Few people know - BlueRay has been with us for the past 4years ! The disc capacity can be enhanced to more then 50GB indeed. In reality not even the 50GB has caught up. Just like DVD's (4.7 vs 8.4GB). The reason is simple :ECONOMICS ! As CH correctly points out, (new) compression codecs are released every year (as computer power goes up so does the algorithms/compression ratio) Memory sticks only average 4GB (as of 2009). Not quite enough for HD movie transfer. Give another 4-5years and we talk again. The BlueRay disc format is simply to big to be practical beyond 2015. If dvd still outsell BlueRay by 2012-13 then we might just as well go other roads to transfer data. The options will be all there (if you or I want or not)

I'd love to buy BDs too but the problem is as follows:

BD of the shows I want - are not available.
Often the BD version is unnecessary - Ingmar Bergman does not look better on a BD - you don't watch those films for high def - they're old but above all they're real works of art. You watch it for the cinematography, nuances, psychology, acting, dialogue and content - not to see pretty explosions.
Some shows are available BUT they are Region A and hence not available to me unless I use AnyDVDHD or buy a US/Japanese BD player. I could do that but it is a hassle at the moment.
Finally GOOD QUALITY, LARGE SIZE plasma (LCD is poor quality) is very expensive. I have a 720P plasma here (1024x1024 pixels) and it works well - the industry is preventing me from enjoying better quality because the set has no HDCP HDMI ports. I could buy a stripper and enjoy full HD delivery to it (then downscaled to 720p) but it's not worth it at the moment.
I have an extensive DVD library. Most titles are from USA, Europe (England, Germany, France, Poland, Russia, Romania etc), Korea and Japan. Quite a few of these DVDs are out of print. Most of these titles are not on BD and many will never be.
I don't enjoy Hollywood blockbusters except for occasional greats like LOTR.

Personally, for me, BD is a lost cause atm. I have 6 BDs here and an overpriced Samsung BD player which I only use 2-3 times per year.
I'll probably go the BD route eventually when BD players come out without these stupid requirements (like cheap Chinese DVD players do now), BD becomes as cheap as DVD and the titles I want are there and from any region in the world.

This new DIVX like scheme - and DIVX was a failure - is just a gimmick. People don't want 'DVD like quality' they want DVD quality. Also this thing sounds like a marketer's dream - they intend to push ads and other junk on you and you'll no doubt be spammed by more marketing. No thank you.

 

[LazyLion]

DRM
Blu-Ray

 

[PeterCH]

The last time you told this soppy story was because you are/were against SONY, MICROSOFT and DRM. Just another repeat of the old wonderfull PeterCH stories.

I think you're just frustrated I whip every single one of your shill posts, and I'm not even trying.

Do you know what a drill is...? It is a tool.

 

[PeterCH]

DRM
Blu-Ray

The OP of this thread is very pro-DRM .

 

[I am Penguin]

I think you're just frustrated I whip every single one of your shill posts, and I'm not even trying.

Do you know what a drill is...? It is a tool.

THE ONLY THING YOU WHIP IS THAT YOU PLAY WITH EVERYDAY.

Do you know what a donkey is...? Its an Ass.

Problem is that you try so hard to sound intelegent in every post yet its just the repeat of the same drivel over and over. Same stories, same jAPAN, sAME OLD INCOMPATIBLE near "HD" screen ect. How th salesman conned you and the Big EVIL corporations Sony and Microsoft.

 

[I am Penguin]

The OP of this thread is very pro-DRM .

Now see again you ASSumed something again. I am not pro DRM, I just am not bothered enough about it to make it my life crusade to bash anyone or any company that ever invented/produced and manufactured DRM products and spoil and deface every remotely connected thread or post with the same repeated FUD like you do persisitently. Like the Win7 threads and the BluRay related theads. So the PS3 is DRM et al, who cares I enjoy it. See If I want something and I need a DRM device to read/decode it I buy it or if I can I steal it or pirate it, just like you and anyone else. See piracy is not my life ambition like with some I know it's just a fad to trial software and then dump it or buy the original if I want to keep it. LOOK at THIS TOPIC and you found it suitable to deface this thread too with the same old repeated FUD.

 

[PeterCH]

THE ONLY THING YOU WHIP IS THAT YOU PLAY WITH EVERYDAY.

Do you know what a donkey is...? Its an Ass.

Problem is that you try so hard to sound intelegent in every post yet its just the repeat of the same drivel over and over. Same stories, same jAPAN, sAME OLD INCOMPATIBLE near "HD" screen ect. How th salesman conned you and the Big EVIL corporations Sony and Microsoft.

But that's because you repeat the same posts over and over again. You're the reason why I respond with the same things because you never learn. You need to grow up Penguin, and above all respect other peoples' opinions and learn from them. Just because you disagree it doesn't give you any right to insult me and I'm not posting FEAR, UNCERTAINLY OR DOUBT. I'm posting what I dislike about these things. This is after all a PUBLIC FORUM and the owner hasn't told me to shut up. Now unless you here buy this forum and tell me to go away I'll comment except unlike you I'll do it POLITELY and I never attack the poster unless he attacks me first. You also need to learn to stop attacking the poster. It's very immature. Notice that it is only YOU and NOT ME who brings up the way I post in other posts. You have personal issues and quite frankly in real life I wouldn't give you the time of day - maybe I should ignore you here too - since a person ignores those who are unable to learn from their mistakes.

I could easily get personal with you. Also lay off Japan bashing because it's uncalled for. Bluray is a Japanese invention after all, as is your darling Sony. Ne?

Grow up.

 

[PeterCH]

Now see again you ASSumed something again. I am not pro DRM, I just am not bothered enough about it to make it my life crusade to bash anyone or any company that ever invented/produced and manufactured DRM products and spoil and deface every remotely connected thread or post with the same repeated FUD like you do persisitently. Like the Win7 threads and the BluRay related theads. So the PS3 is DRM et al, who cares I enjoy it. See If I want something and I need a DRM device to read/decode it I buy it or if I can I steal it or pirate it, just like you and anyone else. See piracy is not my life ambition like with some I know it's just a fad to trial software and then dump it or buy the original if I want to keep it. LOOK at THIS TOPIC and you found it suitable to deface this thread too with the same old repeated FUD.

You said you were Pro-DRM in this thread. Do grow up.

 

[I am Penguin]

You said you were Pro-DRM in this thread. Do grow up.

Please quote the phrase where I stated that fact!

 

[Gomario]

People, please STOP digging at each other. Is only a f***ing disc format I love DVD's (have over 250 titles in my collection). BlueRay is even nicer, of course. A pity Sony goes from bad to worse. But don't worry, they will survive. I love the new Play Station 3. Looks like *****, I have to admit, but is not looks I am after. The Japanese have the biggest brains around They will come up with a plan. And BTW, Sony is not the only founder of BlueRay. @CH, have you watched a DivX encoded 8.5GB HD movie? I bet, 99% won't notice. The tv (or projector quality as in my case), makes a (much) bigger difference

 

[I am Penguin]

People, please STOP digging at each other. Is only a f***ing disc format I love DVD's (have over 250 titles in my collection). BlueRay is even nicer, of course. A pity Sony goes from bad to worse. But don't worry, they will survive. I love the new Play Station 3. Looks like *****, I have to admit, but is not looks I am after. The Japanese have the biggest brains around They will come up with a plan. And BTW, Sony is not the only founder of BlueRay. @CH, have you watched a DivX encoded 8.5GB HD movie? I bet, 99% won't notice. The tv (or projector quality as in my case), makes a (much) bigger difference

It's not the format thats a pain in the ass it the constant repeat of the same old over opiniated stories.

Does that 8.5GB DivX come with the same quality resolution and DTS HD master sound? Interesting. The Japanese brains already came with a plan. The HD/3D LED TV's and HT equipment as well as Projectors are falling fast in price due to mass production, so there one of these days the BluRay/China HD/Projectors/HD TV's/LCD's/HT's will be as standard/common in a home as a lightbulb. Only in Africa there is a problem.

 

[PeterCH]

People, please STOP digging at each other. Is only a f***ing disc format I love DVD's (have over 250 titles in my collection). BlueRay is even nicer, of course. A pity Sony goes from bad to worse. But don't worry, they will survive. I love the new Play Station 3. Looks like *****, I have to admit, but is not looks I am after. The Japanese have the biggest brains around They will come up with a plan. And BTW, Sony is not the only founder of BlueRay. @CH, have you watched a DivX encoded 8.5GB HD movie? I bet, 99% won't notice. The tv (or projector quality as in my case), makes a (much) bigger difference

Gromario, DIVX and not DivX from DivX Networks. DIVX is an old DVD format which like this format would call home to authorise playback. It never caught on. I believe it was Circuit City (now defunct) which plugged the format.
I included a Wiki link in my post.

DivX is more or less a legacy codec now - H.264 is superior quality at smaller file sizes, besides the xViD is the OSS form and requires no licensing fees.

 

[PeterCH]

Please quote the phrase where I stated that fact!

Post No 7 in this thread:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=3130431&postcount=7

You meaning to say that the incumbents will use their legit right to prevent illegal copying by pirates to ensure a reasonable income for their created content that everyone wants for free without any compensation to the creator?

In see no problem there.

You're either very naive or a liar. Please grow up.

 

[Maestr0]

So you thought it wise to rather bash the BluRay instead. Tsk!

The people who are dissing the bluray are the ones who cannot afford it. They are also the same ones who says it only makes a difference on 52" LCD and higher. I have a very affective way to deal with them. Ek ignoreer hulle soos kreef*** op die bodem van die see.