Texas shooting: 14 children and one teacher killed in primary school shooting

[Fulcrum29]

From your BBC link

Posted at 23:0723:07

BREAKINGGunman named in Texas school shooting​

Texas Governor Greg Abbott has named the suspect as Salvador Ramos, an 18-year-old male.

I was going through the sources and my quick search didn't immediately pick up on that until I scrolled down.

 

[lunch]

WTF is wrong with this world

 

[VooDooC]

Deeply. I don't think any country in the world comes close to these mass shootings.

It can't just be about gun control.
Even in violent, lawless SA we don't have anything on a scale like this on a regular basis. Gang/family/partner shootings yes, but random mass public massacres.... No.

And still according to some sources SA still has a higher murde rate than that of the US.

Murder Rate by Country 2023

Don't know how reputable this site is but if its to be believed, US doesn't even fall under the top ten.

As screwed up as mass shootings are, why is it getting more attention than the rampant murder rates in the top murder countries in the world? Is murder just worse when it's done all in one shot, is it because it was a school, or that it was a bunch of random people? Is it worse than people being tortured inside their own homes for hours before being killed due to the fact that the numbers seems less horrible than 14 people killed instantly?

Just a thought but in my opinion it's not worse than anything happening every day in South Africa, it just generates more clicks and sympathy than your average daily murder in the township or farm.

 

[greg0205]

TX Governor Greg Abbott:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/611899512626372609

Also TX Governor Greg Abbott:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/659427797853536256

Also TX Governor Greg Abbott:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433219898541584393

TX Governor Greg Abbott now:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1529213249157201922

TX Governor Greg Abbott this weekend:

Trump will be part of a slate of speakers on May 27 at the George R. Brown Convention Center. Gov. Greg Abbott, State Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw are also scheduled to speak to the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Leadership Forum.

Trump returning to Houston May 27 for NRA convention

Former President Donald Trump is coming back to Houston later this month to speak to...

www.houstonchronicle.com

TX Governor Greg Abbott, the NRA, and everyone who worships the 2A and guns more than kids lives should go fsck themselves.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Shame, man,

Sen. Chris Murphy delivers emotional plea for action on Senate floor

At least 19 children and two adults were killed in a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. Follow here for the latest.

edition.cnn.com

Sen. Chris Murphy delivers emotional plea for action on Senate floor​

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut delivered an emotional call to action on the Senate floor following the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

Murphy, who has repeatedly pushed for legislative action following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, said: "This only happens in this country, and nowhere else. Nowhere else do little kids go to school thinking they might be shot that day."

"Our kids are living in fear every single time they set foot in a classroom because they think they're going to be next. What are we doing? Why do you spend all this time running for the United States Senate? Why do you go through all the hassle of getting this job — of putting yourself in a position of authority — if your answer is that as the slaughter increases, as our kids run for their lives, we do nothing."

 

[konfab]

Deeply. I don't think any country in the world comes close to these mass shootings.

It can't just be about gun control.
Even in violent, lawless SA we don't have anything on a scale like this on a regular basis. Gang/family/partner shootings yes, but random mass public massacres.... No.

It isn't gun control. If someone really wants a gun in SA, they can get it. All someone would need do to is hang around dodgy people enough and the 2 degrees of separation to real criminals would take care of the rest.

I think reporting is one thing. Noteriety is a nice f- you to society when you think that people only deserve to die. US media is stupidly efficient at this. IMO law enforcement and the state should have a directive to not publish any identifying information about any mass shooter, especially school shooters.

I also think that the US is in the sweet spot in the amount of crime for this type of thing to happen. Their police and legal system are relatively good at their jobs, which means if you are a low key criminal, just killing people in their houses, you will get caught.

Here in the people's Republik of South Africa and other violent, lawless countries, if you hate people and think everyone deserves to die because of your suffering, you can join a gang, kill people and get money and status for it. There is no need for the crazies to commit a mass shooting because they can kill whenever they want to with a low chance of getting caught.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Deeply. I don't think any country in the world comes close to these mass shootings.

It can't just be about gun control.
Even in violent, lawless SA we don't have anything on a scale like this on a regular basis. Gang/family/partner shootings yes, but random mass public massacres.... No.

My brother has now been in Canada since 2006. Sometimes he gets concerned about the possibilities.

 

[Hamster]

The only people killing more civilians than the Americans are Russia soldiers.

 

[konfab]

TX Governor Greg Abbott:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/611899512626372609

Also TX Governor Greg Abbott:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/659427797853536256

Also TX Governor Greg Abbott:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433219898541584393

TX Governor Greg Abbott now:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1529213249157201922

TX Governor Greg Abbott this weekend:

Trump returning to Houston May 27 for NRA convention

Former President Donald Trump is coming back to Houston later this month to speak to...

www.houstonchronicle.com

TX Governor Greg Abbott, the NRA, and everyone who worships the 2A and guns more than kids lives should go fsck themselves.

Violating rights explicit rights in the constitution is more dangerous than mass shootings.

It doesn't get clearer than " shall not be infringed". If you allow one portion of the constitution to slip especially one that is very clearly written, the others follow. I mean why shouldn't the state have a right to expropriate property without compensation. After all, it is for the common good of everyone.

There is always a good reason to violate people's rights.

Only way I think the US could make any progress on the hot topics would be a broad middle coalition that enacts constitutional amendments that could settle 4 of the biggest issues in the country.
1) Change the 2A to say the right to self defence.
2) Add a line saying woman have a right to an abortion up until 10 weeks. No exceptions after that except rape, incest and unviable pregnancies.
3) Limit all taxes and levies on income to an absolute maximum of 10% for all federal taxes.
4) Add a line stating the sole purpose of the federal reserve is to maintain the value of the currency, and that the federal government cannot exceed a national debt of 5% GDP unless a formal declaration of war against a foreign country is made.

US politics threads would get very quiet with those 4 changes. Democrats get their gun control and right to murder children in exchange for a smaller federal state. Republicans get a smaller federal state at the cost of limiting gun ownership to self defence only and allowing woman to have as much degenerate sex as they want.

 

[Kieppie]

As screwed up as mass shootings are, why is it getting more attention than the rampant murder rates in the top murder countries in the world? Is murder just worse when it's done all in one shot, is it because it was a school, or that it was a bunch of random people? Is it worse than people being tortured inside their own homes for hours before being killed due to the fact that the numbers seems less horrible than 14 people killed instantly?

It's pretty much the shock value of it yes. It's easy to sensationalise and both politicians and news media profit from it.

 

[RedViking]

Deeply. I don't think any country in the world comes close to these mass shootings.

It can't just be about gun control.
Even in violent, lawless SA we don't have anything on a scale like this on a regular basis. Gang/family/partner shootings yes, but random mass public massacres.... No.

In SA we don't sell guns next the candy shelf.

 

[Grant]

And they do love their guns.

We have them here too.
Some even have one hand on the Bible, with the other on the gun.

 

[RedViking]

We have them here too.
Some even have one hand on the Bible, with the other on the gun.

Yeah but it is not nearly comparable to America. If we had access to guns and sold openly and so easily in SA, random mass shooting would happen daily.

 

[Grant]

Violating rights explicit rights in the constitution is more dangerous than mass shootings.

It doesn't get clearer than " shall not be infringed". If you allow one portion of the constitution to slip especially one that is very clearly written, the others follow. I mean why shouldn't the state have a right to expropriate property without compensation. After all, it is for the common good of everyone.

There is always a good reason to violate people's rights.

Only way I think the US could make any progress on the hot topics would be a broad middle coalition that enacts constitutional amendments that could settle 4 of the biggest issues in the country.
1) Change the 2A to say the right to self defence.
2) Add a line saying woman have a right to an abortion up until 10 weeks. No exceptions after that except rape, incest and unviable pregnancies.
3) Limit all taxes and levies on income to an absolute maximum of 10% for all federal taxes.
4) Add a line stating the sole purpose of the federal reserve is to maintain the value of the currency, and that the federal government cannot exceed a national debt of 5% GDP unless a formal declaration of war against a foreign country is made.

US politics threads would get very quiet with those 4 changes. Democrats get their gun control and right to murder children in exchange for a smaller federal state. Republicans get a smaller federal state at the cost of limiting gun ownership to self defence only and allowing woman to have as much degenerate sex as they want.

Senator konfab has spoken

 

[Stefanmuller]

The shocking thing about a killing like this is not only the tragic loss of 14 innocent children, bit think of the many lives this has changed forever. Every child in that school will be traumatized for life having had to fear for their own lives and having lost friends. Others will feel guilty for being alive. All tje family members involved etc.

We had a similar mass murder 2 years ago in Nova Scotia that with the dentist guy who went on a killing spree amd killed 23 people and a police officer ending up being the worst mass killing in Canada. The guy ended up being shot by police after being on the run (or probably on the way to his next victim) about 10km from my house and even though I dont know any victims and were not directly affected you do feel the effects within the community. People being in the wrong spot at the wrong time. And you'll never know why and what made this guy do what he did.

Very very sad indeed

 

[Polymathic]

Wow, another mass shooting in the USA... I'm shocked.

 

[yebocan]

rewind...play...Thought and prayers...-rewind .. play..

 

[Sehcaep]

Innocent lives lost RIP

 

[maumau]

But why?

 

[NeonNinja]

But why?

Drugs, hate, terrorism, dementia. Why does it matter?