Texas shooting: 14 children and one teacher killed in primary school shooting

[RonSwanson]

The Trump era
You only like him when he criticises the people you dont like

I said that I found him funny in the past. Liking him? Now that is a completely different thing.

Back OT: To me, the evidence to support the arming of trained and competent people in schools appears to be overwhelming when one considers a tiny middle-eastern nation's success in countering school attacks. You suggest that it's not the case. To what would you ascribe their success then?

 

[greg0205]

I said that I found him funny in the past. Liking him? Now that is a completely different thing.

Back OT: To me, the evidence to support the arming of trained and competent people in schools appears to be overwhelming when one considers a tiny middle-eastern nation's success in countering school attacks. You suggest that it's not the case. To what would you ascribe their success then?

I'd contend that in the ME, threats aren't coming from *inside* the house... The region has had nearly one and a half millennia of religious conflicts.

The ME is a red herring.

Let's discuss Canada, or the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Aus, NZ, or even SA.... We all have more than one door in our schools. We all have folks struggling with mental health. We all have bullying, we all have the same video games, and we all have Marilyn Manson and South Park.

We don't have school police, and we don't have school shootings like they do in the US.

Hell, SA has a liberation struggle history with guns, but what we don't do is allow a kid to buy an AK and all the ammo ever at Makro for his 18th birthday, no questions asked.

It's

The

Guns.

 

[wbot]

This is actually really sad to watch

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1535755369267462144

 

[RonSwanson]

I'd contend that in the ME, threats aren't coming from *inside* the house... The region has had nearly one and a half millennia of religious conflicts.

The ME is a red herring.

<blatant trolling snipped>

You are talking about the Middle East in general, and at the same time being economical with facts. I am talking about the sovereign country Israel, which, if the leftist Palestinian organisation IMEU's factsheet were to be believed, had almost 2 million Palestinian citizens in 2019, representing 21% of the population. Dismissing internal threats would certainly not be wise for Israelli government, particularly when the same publication suggests that these Palestinians are subject to the most questionable treatment by the Israelli government:

• There are more than 60 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel.
• There are 60,000 to 70,000 homes (as of 2020) belonging to Palestinian citizens of Israel that are threatened with destruction by the government because they were built without official permission, which is extremely difficult for them to obtain.

In short, it appears to be a powder keg internally, so the red herrings are all yours.

Regurgitating the same boring untruths over and over doesn't give them any more credibility. Rather present a reasonably decent argument.

 

[ponder]

Uvalde shooting: Gunman could have been stopped within three minutes - safety official

Police could have stopped the Uvalde school shooting within three minutes, Texas's safety chief says.

www.bbc.com

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

Timing of this was strange

 

[GrootVoet]

It looks like the police really f-up this one. Hopefully lessons will be learned.

 

[ponder]

Uvalde officer saw gunman before he entered school and asked for permission to shoot him: Report

The officer witnessed Salvador Ramos with a rifle after he crashed outside the school. That's when he allegedly asked for permission to shoot the gunman before he had entered the school.

abc7.com

 

[yebocan]

So the police lied about the actions they took....video is disturbing.

Exclusive video shows police responding to shooting inside Robb Elementary School

The video, obtained by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE, shows the confusion inside Robb Elementary School as police stand outside classrooms.

www.statesman.com

Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.

www.statesman.com

 

[TelkomUseless]

So the police lied about the actions they took....video is disturbing.

Exclusive video shows police responding to shooting inside Robb Elementary School

The video, obtained by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE, shows the confusion inside Robb Elementary School as police stand outside classrooms.

www.statesman.com

Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.

www.statesman.com

That is terrible. Who ever was in charge should be fired instantly...

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

Useless cops, standing and waiting while the kids were being shot
Waiting 74 minutes before going in is inexcusable

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

I'd contend that in the ME, threats aren't coming from *inside* the house... The region has had nearly one and a half millennia of religious conflicts.

The ME is a red herring.

Let's discuss Canada, or the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Aus, NZ, or even SA.... We all have more than one door in our schools. We all have folks struggling with mental health. We all have bullying, we all have the same video games, and we all have Marilyn Manson and South Park.

We don't have school police, and we don't have school shootings like they do in the US.

Hell, SA has a liberation struggle history with guns, but what we don't do is allow a kid to buy an AK and all the ammo ever at Makro for his 18th birthday, no questions asked.

It's

The

Guns.

Could be the mental health too.

 

[ForceFate]

So the police lied about the actions they took....video is disturbing.

Exclusive video shows police responding to shooting inside Robb Elementary School

The video, obtained by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE, shows the confusion inside Robb Elementary School as police stand outside classrooms.

www.statesman.com

Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.

www.statesman.com

A bunch of "heavies" in that group. I'm no security expert but is it wise to retreat with the back to the shooter? Also, is it wise to hunt down a shooter in a poorly coordinated manner like that?

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

You are talking about the Middle East in general, and at the same time being economical with facts. I am talking about the sovereign country Israel, which, if the leftist Palestinian organisation IMEU's factsheet were to be believed, had almost 2 million Palestinian citizens in 2019, representing 21% of the population. Dismissing internal threats would certainly not be wise for Israelli government, particularly when the same publication suggests that these Palestinians are subject to the most questionable treatment by the Israelli government:

In short, it appears to be a powder keg internally, so the red herrings are all yours.

Regurgitating the same boring untruths over and over doesn't give them any more credibility. Rather present a reasonably decent argument.

We dont talk about such things here.

 

[greg0205]

Uvalde report: 376 officers but ‘egregiously poor’ decisions

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Nearly 400 law enforcement officials rushed to a mass shooting at a Uvalde elementary school, but “egregiously poor decision-making” resulted in more than an hour of chaos before the gunman who took 21 lives was finally confronted and killed, according to a damning...

apnews.com