Thailand’s plans to go all-electric

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Thailand’s plans to go all-electric

Thailand is weighing an array of incentives to develop the market for electric vehicles.

 

[The Trutherizer]

I'm pretty sure all new car sales, worldwide, will be EVs (although BEV and PHEV) before then anyway. Likely somewhere between 2028 and 2032.
By 2035 it's likely that PHEV sales will have tanked substantially worldwide. Mostly because by then petrol negative economies of scale will make even the most efficient PHEV expensive to operate. Probably in the order of 85%+ of new sales BEV then.
For this to be achieved BEV market share only have to grow by a meagre 25% - 35% YoY.
It doubled last year to 9%. I suspect another doubling next year of new car sales globally, and at least 50% growth for the rest of the decade.
Economic BEVs will become easy to acquire in many countries by 2025. It's already the case in China. And clearly for Norwegians the price is already right.
One can even speculate that once EVs account for more than 50% of the market share, manufacturers will swiftly re-align themselves to exclusively make EVs simply to remain competitive. Regardless of what their current projections are.

Exponential growth... People often don't get it.

Taking the global scrap rate, and the declining sales of ICE vehicles into account - The year when the number of ICE cars in the world start going down is likely around 2026 - 2028.
Once BEV achieve 100% sales rate, since no new ICE cars will enter the world, a large portion of the remaining ICE cars will be scrapped within 10 years as is the norm. And only speed up after that.

And oh yeah. Major financial bubble alert. There will be a day some time around 2026 to 2032 when the oil industry experiences growth for the last time. What comes after will be a nightmare for any country that has not prepared. 2020 forever as far as the global oil industry is concerned.

 

[Cius]

Still gonna be interesting to see how the world's power grids deal with that. Those charging stations use a lot of juice. Some can afford to charge the cars at off peak times but some would not be able to. It will get there but in a place like SA I recon more EV's would just put more strain on Eskom.

 

[pinball wizard]

What happens to all the other products we use that are a by-product of the petroleum industry? All this waffle about cars, I never see anyone talk about this.

 

[pinball wizard]

I'm pretty sure all new car sales, worldwide, will be EVs (although BEV and PHEV) before then anyway. Likely somewhere between 2028 and 2032.

So, you're saying I must buy a couple of new diesels now, keep safe and use my own bio fuel on them when you muppets sink?

 

[The Trutherizer]

So, you're saying I must buy a couple of new diesels now, keep safe and use my own bio fuel on them when you muppets sink?

rofl. Maybe that's a valid strategy. Only time will tell.

 

[The Trutherizer]

What happens to all the other products we use that are a by-product of the petroleum industry? All this waffle about cars, I never see anyone talk about this.

Many oil companies are already planning to ramp up plastic, and other by product production, as a means to keep making money for longer.
I mean likely plastic will get more expensive. So I'm mostly on the fence about whether that's good or bad.
Plastic is an amazing material with real, valuable uses. But expensive plastic will at least make it less popular for single use, and other semi-disposable purposes.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

what the King says, the King gets.
he says EV's you better listen to the man before your head detaches itself from your body.

 

[The Trutherizer]

what the King says, the King gets.
he says EV's you better listen to the man before your head detaches itself from your body.

The king of Thailand? This guy?

Vajiralongkorn - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[pinball wizard]

what the King says, the King gets.
he says EV's you better listen to the man before your head detaches itself from your body.

Weird that you think the Thai population don't support this.

A 2014 Bangkok Post article said that Mahidol University lecturer Srisombat Chokprajakchat's survey indicated "more than 41% of Thais nationwide want to keep the death penalty on the books, but only 8% want to scrap capital punishment, with the majority undecided...most of those who favoured execution as a legal punishment felt it was the most effective deterrent against capital crimes, including murder and rape"

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

The king of Thailand? This guy?

Vajiralongkorn - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

yes, and despite what you might think, Thailand is still a Monarchy
not a Democracy, yes there is a prime minister and a government, of elected representatives, but the King says X you better do X.

Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy (Published 2021)

Lawyers said it was the longest sentence yet for violating Thailand’s notoriously harsh lèse-majesté law.

www.nytimes.com

its not like the British, who still have a monarchy, but people insult them all the time.

so if the King says were going to ban all ICE vehicles for EV's, better get your charging cord ready and comply.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Still gonna be interesting to see how the world's power grids deal with that. Those charging stations use a lot of juice. Some can afford to charge the cars at off peak times but some would not be able to. It will get there but in a place like SA I recon more EV's would just put more strain on Eskom.

A statistically impactful increase in electricity demand from charging EVs (compared with existing demand) is only expected to occur once 15% of the cars on the road are EVs.
Which will only happen a few years after sales are all EVs.
On the other hand that's not even taking into account that quite a bit of electricity is used in making petrol. According to some projections enough that overall electricity use could go down with EVs...

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Weird that you think the Thai population don't support this.

never said they dont support it,
but again its a dictatorship essentially, and the King says jump 3 meters on Friday, you better do that

 

[The Trutherizer]

yes, and despite what you might think, Thailand is still a Monarchy
not a Democracy, yes there is a prime minister and a government, of elected representatives, but the King says X you better do X.

Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy (Published 2021)

Lawyers said it was the longest sentence yet for violating Thailand’s notoriously harsh lèse-majesté law.

www.nytimes.com

its not like the British, who still have a monarchy, but people insult them all the time.

so if the King says were going to ban all ICE vehicles for EV's, better get your charging cord ready and comply.

"we're"? Are you Thai?
And there's a substantial difference between banning ICE cars, (at penalty of death as you seem to believe) and promoting EVs. The term "ban" doesn't occur once in that article. They expressly state the new measures are to be "helpful in creating local demand for EVs and also encourage producers to start producing EVs"

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

"we're"? Are you Thai?
And there's a substantial difference between banning ICE cars, (at penalty of death as you seem to believe) and promoting EVs. The term "ban" doesn't occur once in that article. They expressly state the new measures are to be "helpful in creating local demand for EVs and also encourage producers to start producing EVs"

nope not Thai in the least,
but again, when its a directive from the King, that says we want to get rid of ICE for EV's
its not a suggestion, its a mandate and I'm sure there will be penalties, maybe even harsh ones, as again, Thailand isn't a democracy.

 

[The Trutherizer]

nope not Thai in the least,
but again, when its a directive from the King, that says we want to get rid of ICE for EV's
its not a suggestion, its a mandate and I'm sure there will be penalties, maybe even harsh ones, as again, Thailand isn't a democracy.

Don't get hysterical now. You seem to be taking this quite badly.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Don't get hysterical now. You seem to be taking this quite badly.

I'm not getting hysterical,
but when you go on holiday to Thailand, go rent a Scooter, and as you ride out the Airport, you get arrested and put into jail,
because your scooter isn't an EV, dont come crying to me.

remember NOT a democracy, they can beat you senseless with a stick if they want to, because you insulted their king by
driving a polluting noisy scooter and didn't listen to his wisdom.

 

[The Trutherizer]

I'm not getting hysterical,
but when you go on holiday to Thailand, go rent a Scooter, and as you ride out the Airport, you get arrested and put into jail,
because your scooter isn't an EV, dont come crying to me.

remember NOT a democracy, they can beat you senseless with a stick if they want to, because you insulted their king by
driving a polluting noisy scooter and didn't listen to his wisdom.

Let me assure you that you sound hysterical.

It's worth noting that nobody ever banned scribes back in the day. In fact it was the scribes who tried to ban the printing press.

Also it's debateable whether Migs are very good planes.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Let me assure you that you sound hysterical.

It's worth noting that nobody ever banned scribes back in the day. In fact it was the scribes who tried to ban the printing press.

Also it's debateable whether Migs are very good planes.

if pointing out that a monarchy is banning ICE vehicles makes me a hysterical karen/karl, so be it,

I guess you'll still consider me hysterical for saying you must not keep driving your car when Zimbabwe's president is driving on the same road as you.
and you get thrown in Chikarubi for your western arrogance.

but apparently that makes me hysterical. even though it could save you from calling your folks from Chikurubi

 

[Scooby_Doo]

Well of the sona is anything to go by, we might have a transmission network capable enough to employ virtual power plants. So a bunch of these cars could end up flattening our evening and morning spikes.

Maybe we will get power operators like we have VNOs on mobile networks.