The 2019 ICC Cricket World Cup Thread

[R13...]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...-rebuffed-ab-de-villiers-offer-play-world-cup

we do not need this right now

Last thing the team needs is to be kicked while they are down

Turning him down was the correct decision too. And yes, things like that don't help.

 

[Cius]

Accepting him was not an option. You can't represent your country in a WC if you have not played for the national side in the last calendar year. AB hence was not ever an option.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Hopefully after the world cup the older members retire and cricket SA gives some young talent a go. Remember how young Kallis and Pollock where when they where given their shot? They matured into the protea side.

The side that Kallis, Pollock and Klusener came into had some very good experienced players.

They had the likes of Hansie, Donald, Fanie de Villiers, Cullinan, Rhodes and Gary Kirsten to groom them...

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Huh?

Dummminy is the obvious choice to leave out seeing as he isn't even bowling, and bats at a primary schoolgirl level.

We couldn't get rid of Duminy when AB was in the team, what makes you think we could have when he returned?

That guy has something on someone, only reason he keeps getting picked...

 

[pinball wizard]

You can't represent your country in a WC if you have not played for the national side in the last calendar year.

You can't?

 

[pinball wizard]

We couldn't get rid of Duminy when AB was in the team, what makes you think we could have when he returned?

That guy has something on someone, only reason he keeps getting picked...

Funny. In casual conversation the other day I raised that exact same question.

 

[Cray]

Accepting him was not an option. You can't represent your country in a WC if you have not played for the national side in the last calendar year. AB hence was not ever an option.

Agree, and it's a d*** move if he was the one who leaked the offer now.. If he wanted to reverse his retirement he should have done it a year ago.

 

[Dust52]

We've got a serious problem moving forward. Most of the current squad is going to be too old for the next WC, hopefully by some form of magic we will have replaced Miller too so he won't be needed. I haven't followed domestic cricket very closely of late, but there is a lack of proper talent coming through at the moment.

Our squad could have arguably been better for this WC if we had some of the Kolpaks available in Rilee Roussouw and Kyle Abbott but they too probably will be too old for the next WC.

I don't know how they are going to fix the talent conveyor belt, or what CSA can do differently to the local game to make taking up a Kolpak contract less inticing, because lets be fair, these guys are only cricketers for so long, and if you can't get the odd IPL deal, for the sake of your long term financial future, the Kolpak deal is something to be seriously considered.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

I don't know how they are going to fix the talent conveyor belt, or what CSA can do differently to the local game to make taking up a Kolpak contract less inticing, because lets be fair, these guys are only cricketers for so long, and if you can't get the odd IPL deal, for the sake of your long term financial future, the Kolpak deal is something to be seriously considered.

I think they'd be doing the right thing by moving back to the provincial model and reducing the number of teams. This increases the competitiveness of the league, so that only the very best get picked and play against each other.

Right now it's very diluted, with a lot of mediocre players artificially inflating the stats of some players. A batsman averaging 40+ would be doing so against against some very weak bowling, and vice versa with the bowlers. Then they struggle when they get to international cricket.

Unfortunately the unions are pulling their usual BS about job losses, rather than what's good for the country. They'd rather we have lots of players earning an income, than producing the best players to represent the country...

 

[ShloshMalosh]

Time to put this AB nonsense to rest and call him on his bullsh*t.

If he indeed approached CSA at the 11th hour then he can suck a d*ck

Ok lets look at ABs own words:

Following is the full transcript of de Villiers said in retirement announcement:

"I have decided to retire from all international cricket with immediate effect," de Villiers said on Wednesday (23 May). "After 114 Test matches, 228 ODIs and 78 T20 Internationals, it is time for others to take over. I have had my turn, and to be honest, I am tired,"

"This is a tough decision, I have thought long and hard about it and I'd like to retire while still playing decent cricket. After the fantastic series wins against India and Australia, now feels like the right time to step aside.

"It would not be right for me to pick and choose where, when and in what format I play for the Proteas. For me, in the green and gold, it must be everything or nothing. I will always be grateful to the coaches and staff of Cricket South Africa for their support through all these years. The most important thank you goes out to all of my teammates throughout my career, I wouldn't be half the player that I am without the support throughout the years.

"It's not about earning more somewhere else, it's about running out of gas and feeling that it is the right time to move on. Everything comes to an end. To the cricket fans around South Africa and the World, thank you for your kindness and generosity, and today, for your understanding.

"I have no plans to play overseas, in fact, I hope I can continue to be available for the Titans in domestic cricket. I will continue to be the biggest supporter of Faf du Plessis and the Proteas."

If we look at what AB said here vs what he has been doing since... Well, make up your own mind.

 

[ShloshMalosh]

I don't know how they are going to fix the talent conveyor belt, or what CSA can do differently to the local game to make taking up a Kolpak contract less inticing, because lets be fair, these guys are only cricketers for so long, and if you can't get the odd IPL deal, for the sake of your long term financial future, the Kolpak deal is something to be seriously considered.

I'd argue that there is a decent amount of talent waiting in the wings. Any team will always need a balance of youth and experience.

 

[Dust52]

I think they'd be doing the right thing by moving back to the provincial model and reducing the number of teams. This increases the competitiveness of the league, so that only the very best get picked and play against each other.

Right now it's very diluted, with a lot of mediocre players artificially inflating the stats of some players. A batsman averaging 40+ would be doing so against against some very weak bowling, and vice versa with the bowlers. Then they struggle when they get to international cricket.

Unfortunately the unions are pulling their usual BS about job losses, rather than what's good for the country. They'd rather we have lots of players earning an income, than producing the best players to represent the country...

I'm too young to properly know a different domestic league, it's basically been franchise cricket that I've regularly followed. I thought with the change in system going back to the provincial model we'd actually end up with more teams that will be more competitive? Currently the smaller provinces/areas like North West and Boland still have teams but they seem to only play at the amateur level.

Perhaps more teams with more opportunities for the younger players isn't so bad? With the few teams at the moment you have alot of guys floating between franchises but not a hell of a lot of new guys coming through. Although if that's to do with the young guys not being good enough or because franchises don't want to take risks or need to meet certain quotas is a whole other kettle of fish.

Yep I saw an article the other day about the number of players that will now be "jobless", I do know that the amateur players get something like R10k per month though.

 

[Polymathic]

I think they'd be doing the right thing by moving back to the provincial model and reducing the number of teams. This increases the competitiveness of the league, so that only the very best get picked and play against each other.

Right now it's very diluted, with a lot of mediocre players artificially inflating the stats of some players. A batsman averaging 40+ would be doing so against against some very weak bowling, and vice versa with the bowlers. Then they struggle when they get to international cricket.

Unfortunately the unions are pulling their usual BS about job losses, rather than what's good for the country. They'd rather we have lots of players earning an income, than producing the best players to represent the country...

I thought they were introducing more teams? I think the real problem is that we don't have enough teams. To only have 6 franchises increase is just letting many young players fall through the cracks. Having more franchises also potentially opens another slot for an international player and domestic players will benefit from facing more international level players

 

[sand_man]

Time to put this AB nonsense to rest and call him on his bullsh*t.

If he indeed approached CSA at the 11th hour then he can suck a d*ck

Ok lets look at ABs own words:

Following is the full transcript of de Villiers said in retirement announcement:

"I have decided to retire from all international cricket with immediate effect," de Villiers said on Wednesday (23 May). "After 114 Test matches, 228 ODIs and 78 T20 Internationals, it is time for others to take over. I have had my turn, and to be honest, I am tired,"

"This is a tough decision, I have thought long and hard about it and I'd like to retire while still playing decent cricket. After the fantastic series wins against India and Australia, now feels like the right time to step aside.

"It would not be right for me to pick and choose where, when and in what format I play for the Proteas. For me, in the green and gold, it must be everything or nothing. I will always be grateful to the coaches and staff of Cricket South Africa for their support through all these years. The most important thank you goes out to all of my teammates throughout my career, I wouldn't be half the player that I am without the support throughout the years.

"It's not about earning more somewhere else, it's about running out of gas and feeling that it is the right time to move on. Everything comes to an end. To the cricket fans around South Africa and the World, thank you for your kindness and generosity, and today, for your understanding.

"I have no plans to play overseas, in fact, I hope I can continue to be available for the Titans in domestic cricket. I will continue to be the biggest supporter of Faf du Plessis and the Proteas."

If we look at what AB said here vs what he has been doing since... Well, make up your own mind.

Not sure I follow. IPL is a joke in terms of workload vs remuneration. An entire season of IPL is 560 overs. A single test match could be as much as 450 overs. IPL is exactly where tired cricketers should go to earn big bucks while on a paid vacation. IPL's not work!! Just ask Shane Watson if you don't believe me...

TBH I would hate to play for the Proteas. Comparatively poorly paid, s hitty environment where you a politicians ego away from being dropped and/or used as political currency. Toxic fair weather supporters and fans (check this thread as an example). Nah, fck it, arguably one of the most dynamic cricketers of his generation, why the hell would he stick around when he can earn millions abroad? Your professional career is only so long.. rugby players do it all the time. Why shouldn't cricketers?

CSA should have put their egos away and made a plan to include him in the squad, even if he weren't starting at the expense of someone else who has 'worked so hard to make the squad'. Every Protea has worked hard to make the squad, 100's more have worked hard and been overlooked. That's life but when a legend of the game offers his services you damn well take it!!

 

[Dan C]

Australia vs West Indies, Match 10

West Indies have won the toss and have opted to field


West Indies
Chris Gayle, Evin Lewis, Shai Hope(w), Nicholas Pooran, Shimron Hetmyer, Andre Russell, Jason Holder(c), Carlos Brathwaite, Ashley Nurse, Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas

Australia
Aaron Finch(c), David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Steven Smith, Glenn Maxwell, Marcus Stoinis, Alex Carey(w), Nathan Coulter-Nile, Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Adam Zampa

 

[pinball wizard]

Not sure I follow. IPL is a joke in terms of workload vs remuneration. An entire season of IPL is 560 overs. A single test match could be as much as 450 overs. IPL is exactly where tired cricketers should go to earn big bucks while on a paid vacation. IPL's not work!! Just ask Shane Watson if you don't believe me...

Exactly why I said blaming the IPL is a poor excuse, and you don't see the other countries blaming it for overworking their players.

 

[Polymathic]

Not sure I follow. IPL is a joke in terms of workload vs remuneration. An entire season of IPL is 560 overs. A single test match could be as much as 450 overs. IPL is exactly where tired cricketers should go to earn big bucks while on a paid vacation. IPL's not work!! Just ask Shane Watson if you don't believe me...

TBH I would hate to play for the Proteas. Comparatively poorly paid, s hitty environment where you a politicians ego away from being dropped and/or used as political currency. Toxic fair weather supporters and fans (check this thread as an example). Nah, fck it, arguably one of the most dynamic cricketers of his generation, why the hell would he stick around when he can earn millions abroad? Your professional career is only so long.. rugby players do it all the time. Why shouldn't cricketers?

CSA should have put their egos away and made a plan to include him in the squad, even if he weren't starting at the expense of someone else who has 'worked so hard to make the squad'. Every Protea has worked hard to make the squad, 100's more have worked hard and been overlooked. That's life but when a legend of the game offers his services you damn well take it!!

Fair Weather supporters? Proteas only have bad weather trolls. You only ever hear from them when the team is doing badly.

 

[Polymathic]

Australia vs West Indies, Match 10

West Indies have won the toss and have opted to field


West Indies
Chris Gayle, Evin Lewis, Shai Hope(w), Nicholas Pooran, Shimron Hetmyer, Andre Russell, Jason Holder(c), Carlos Brathwaite, Ashley Nurse, Sheldon Cottrell, Oshane Thomas

Australia
Aaron Finch(c), David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Steven Smith, Glenn Maxwell, Marcus Stoinis, Alex Carey(w), Nathan Coulter-Nile, Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Adam Zampa

If the Windies win this I'll say they should be the favorites to win the tournament

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Not sure I follow. IPL is a joke in terms of workload vs remuneration. An entire season of IPL is 560 overs. A single test match could be as much as 450 overs. IPL is exactly where tired cricketers should go to earn big bucks while on a paid vacation. IPL's not work!! Just ask Shane Watson if you don't believe me...

TBH I would hate to play for the Proteas. Comparatively poorly paid, s hitty environment where you a politicians ego away from being dropped and/or used as political currency. Toxic fair weather supporters and fans (check this thread as an example). Nah, fck it, arguably one of the most dynamic cricketers of his generation, why the hell would he stick around when he can earn millions abroad? Your professional career is only so long.. rugby players do it all the time. Why shouldn't cricketers?

CSA should have put their egos away and made a plan to include him in the squad, even if he weren't starting at the expense of someone else who has 'worked so hard to make the squad'. Every Protea has worked hard to make the squad, 100's more have worked hard and been overlooked. That's life but when a legend of the game offers his services you damn well take it!!

The sport would be worse off if AB's behavior is allowed to become a norm. No, he made his choice. Our team sucks, we know that, but they would be worse off with a primadonna in the team

 

[ShloshMalosh]

Not sure I follow. IPL is a joke in terms of workload vs remuneration. An entire season of IPL is 560 overs. A single test match could be as much as 450 overs. IPL is exactly where tired cricketers should go to earn big bucks while on a paid vacation. IPL's not work!! Just ask Shane Watson if you don't believe me...

TBH I would hate to play for the Proteas. Comparatively poorly paid, s hitty environment where you a politicians ego away from being dropped and/or used as political currency. Toxic fair weather supporters and fans (check this thread as an example). Nah, fck it, arguably one of the most dynamic cricketers of his generation, why the hell would he stick around when he can earn millions abroad? Your professional career is only so long.. rugby players do it all the time. Why shouldn't cricketers?

CSA should have put their egos away and made a plan to include him in the squad, even if he weren't starting at the expense of someone else who has 'worked so hard to make the squad'. Every Protea has worked hard to make the squad, 100's more have worked hard and been overlooked. That's life but when a legend of the game offers his services you damn well take it!!

Please, You're telling me that AB, the most in demand cricketer of his generation, couldnt sacrifice one year of T20 for his country to be part of the WC plans?

Would his demand diminish after the WC? if anything his stock would go up.