The Absurd Reason Why America Circumcises Baby Boys

[Grant]

Dafuq bro? I stated in post 17 that I had mine done. And my goddamn reaction is also meh!

well i was done - at birth i guess.
i dont consider it either as disfigured or mutilated - hell, it's even got a few compliments over the years

 

[Ockie]

well i was done - at birth i guess.
i dont consider it either as disfigured or mutilated - hell, it's even got a few compliments over the years

mmmmm I think I will be the judge of that!

 

[Grant]

14 pages of arguing over a dick

you obviously never went to bronx (bar) in your life

 

[ShaunSA]

well i was done - at birth i guess.
i dont consider it either as disfigured or mutilated - hell, it's even got a few compliments over the years

Pics or gtfo

 

[Ockie]

Pics or gtfo

I asked first! TSEK!

 

[ShaunSA]

I asked first! TSEK!

 

[bokdrol]

I have no problem with the idea of circumcision, provided it is done correctly. Female circumcision, however, is done specifically to cause enduring pain, to prevent women from enjoying sex or to prevent them from "straying". These "rites" are invariably practised in societies where men want to keep women down. That is the difference. Removal of a bit of skin off a willy is vastly different IMO as it doesn't affect sexual pleasure. In any case, from what I know of men's penises, you have to cut it off and beat it to death with a plank to stop it working.

 

[Ancalagon]

I have no problem with the idea of circumcision, provided it is done correctly. Female circumcision, however, is done specifically to cause enduring pain, to prevent women from enjoying sex or to prevent them from "straying". These "rites" are invariably practised in societies where men want to keep women down. That is the difference. Removal of a bit of skin off a willy is vastly different IMO as it doesn't affect sexual pleasure. In any case, from what I know of men's penises, you have to cut it off and beat it to death with a plank to stop it working.

It does affect sexual pleasure by reducing sensitivity.

In fact, if you read the first post, part of the reason they used to do it was to prevent boys from being able to masturbate.

 

[Sherbang]

It does affect sexual pleasure by reducing sensitivity.

In fact, if you read the first post, part of the reason they used to do it was to prevent boys from being able to masturbate.

It doesn't effect sensitivity as both the research shows and as YinYang confirmed based on personal experience

 

[Ancalagon]

It doesn't effect sensitivity as both the research shows and as YinYang confirmed based on personal experience

What research are you reading?

Research and anecdotal evidence that I have read indicates otherwise. Didn't YinYang say he had it done quite early?

EDIT:

In any case, the merits of circumcision are unimportant to me. If you prefer it, fine.

The point is, it should be a personal preference. It should be, "I prefer having a cut penis so I am going to have the operation done."

It should not be, "I am going to make a decision for my child that is irreverisible and according to some could cause permanent reduction in sensitivity."

Sure, get it done all you like. But forcing it on children is immoral - there is just no justification for taking that choice away.

 

[Sherbang]

What research are you reading?

Research and anecdotal evidence that I have read indicates otherwise. Didn't YinYang say he had it done quite early?

I mentioned the research in this post

Most telling from that research is that:

In observational studies, a US Health and Social Life Survey of almost 1,500 men found that erectile dysfunction was more common among uncircumcised men, while an Australian telephone survey found reports of fewer sexual difficulties among circumcised men.

 

[STS]

What research are you reading?

Research and anecdotal evidence that I have read indicates otherwise. Didn't YinYang say he had it done quite early?

EDIT:

In any case, the merits of circumcision are unimportant to me. If you prefer it, fine.

The point is, it should be a personal preference. It should be, "I prefer having a cut penis so I am going to have the operation done."

It should not be, "I am going to make a decision for my child that is irreverisible and according to some could cause permanent reduction in sensitivity."

Sure, get it done all you like. But forcing it on children is immoral - there is just no justification for taking that choice away.

regardless of mutilation, your forcing a huge range of things on your child that affect their lives - their diet, their language, their clothes, their environment, their perception of things, etc.

on a comparison basis, despite you washing your penis and taking good care of it, my circumcised penis will always be cleaner than yours. i've never had "dick cheese" in my life, and i understand this is a problem as i grew up around kids. as stated earlier, some of us are completely unphased by our snipped penii. i also have great, fantastic, incredible, amazing sex thank you. i am gratefu lto have a penis

writing angry messages on the internet is never going to remove the responsibility of the child being the parent's responsibility, and until that child is old enough, they will be making decisions on their behalf. i don't like that i grew up with christian beliefs, but i don't sob about it every chance i get. i don't like that i grew up as an english kid in a conservative and racist town, should i hold it against my parents that they didn't raise me somewhere better?

i didn't circumcise my son, i made sure he got his vaccinations, i try my best in regards to him getting an education before he goes to proper school, but this is my son, my kid, and i'm doing what i feel is best for his interests. i know people who take their babies to chiropractors, which is just as disgusting as "mutilation" in my eyes, but if they're not pissing on my rose garden, why should i complain? i know there are people that aren't happy that i let my son play Devil May Cry and am causing him long term psychological damage. you know what i say to them? PFFTTTTT!

so let's consider the people for a minute who have grown up with snipped penii and not tell them that they've been "robbed", not tell them they're having less impressive sex according to states when we have first hand experience, not tell them that they've been mutilated by their loved ones, etc. let's stick to the facts and state that people can remain clean and still take care of themselves and hope people make informed decisions.

ultimately, the decision will always lie with a parent and what they feel is best for their kid. i've heard under some circumstances that doctors recommend that kids get circumcised anyway due to an unnatural foreskin or penis problems. should they wait for the kid to turn 18 before they operate on his penis for his consent?

P.S: Morality is subjective anyway, what is immoral to one person is nothing to another person, like letting my son watch the extremely satanic pokemon on tv

 

[Ancalagon]

I mentioned the research in this post

Most telling from that research is that:

Correlation does not imply causation.

regardless of mutilation, your forcing a huge range of things on your child that affect their lives - their diet, their language, their clothes, their environment, their perception of things, etc.

on a comparison basis, despite you washing your penis and taking good care of it, my circumcised penis will always be cleaner than yours. i've never had "dick cheese" in my life, and i understand this is a problem as i grew up around kids. as stated earlier, some of us are completely unphased by our snipped penii. i also have great, fantastic, incredible, amazing sex thank you. i am gratefu lto have a penis

writing angry messages on the internet is never going to remove the responsibility of the child being the parent's responsibility, and until that child is old enough, they will be making decisions on their behalf. i don't like that i grew up with christian beliefs, but i don't sob about it every chance i get. i don't like that i grew up as an english kid in a conservative and racist town, should i hold it against my parents that they didn't raise me somewhere better?

i didn't circumcise my son, i made sure he got his vaccinations, i try my best in regards to him getting an education before he goes to proper school, but this is my son, my kid, and i'm doing what i feel is best for his interests. i know people who take their babies to chiropractors, which is just as disgusting as "mutilation" in my eyes, but if they're not pissing on my rose garden, why should i complain? i know there are people that aren't happy that i let my son play Devil May Cry and am causing him long term psychological damage. you know what i say to them? PFFTTTTT!

so let's consider the people for a minute who have grown up with snipped penii and not tell them that they've been "robbed", not tell them they're having less impressive sex according to states when we have first hand experience, not tell them that they've been mutilated by their loved ones, etc. let's stick to the facts and state that people can remain clean and still take care of themselves and hope people make informed decisions.

ultimately, the decision will always lie with a parent and what they feel is best for their kid. i've heard under some circumstances that doctors recommend that kids get circumcised anyway due to an unnatural foreskin or penis problems. should they wait for the kid to turn 18 before they operate on his penis for his consent?

P.S: Morality is subjective anyway, what is immoral to one person is nothing to another person, like letting my son watch the extremely satanic pokemon on tv

Circumcision is not one of those vitally important things like discipline or upbringing. Why would a parent feel the need to force it on the kid?

Put it this way - the balance of drawbacks of leaving it uncut and the benefits from having it cut are not significant enough for me to say I would force it on my son. Some people say it is better, some people say it is worse. So why force it? Why is it such a big deal to let the child make his own decision when he grows up?

 

[Sherbang]

Moral and ethical arguments about the pros and cons of circumcising children are not relevant to the myth of reduced sensitivity.

If you don't want to circumcise your children don't, no problem but don't judge and hate on people who do choose to do so, as many on thread seem intent on doing.

 

[STS]

Correlation does not imply causation.

Circumcision is not one of those vitally important things like discipline or upbringing. Why would a parent feel the need to force it on the kid?

Put it this way - the balance of drawbacks of leaving it uncut and the benefits from having it cut are not significant enough for me to say I would force it on my son. Some people say it is better, some people say it is worse. So why force it? Why is it such a big deal to let the child make his own decision when he grows up?

we could argue that clothes are not a vital part of the child's upbringing - people would disagree. i'm sure grantza and i grew up just as well as you and another random person from the forum because we're still here and still alive

"forced" on your son the same as calling abortion "murder", you're exaggerating the effects and severity of it. as a a parent, you can make a decision to nor circumcise your son, but that remains your decision, just as you may choose to vaccinate your child. the parent that raises their kid best passes on their genes and for the amount of time people go on about natural selection and its merits on this forum, people should leave parents and their kids alone. i can't even take a naked photo of my son now playing in the bath tub without being branded a pedophile according to a new law, so i have little respect for other people's opinions.

what about circumcising your son based on a medical decision as i mentioned before? what gives you the right to make a decision for your child when it's the situation is serious that personal preference? let the child die/get sick/suffer? will you apologise to your son one day saying "i'm sorry i mutilated your penis, but you were sick"

 

[Ockie]

Moral and ethical arguments about the pros and cons of circumcising children are not relevant to the myth of reduced sensitivity.

If you don't want to circumcise your children don't, no problem but don't judge and hate on people who do choose to do so, as many on thread seem intent on doing.

To my knowledge South Africans are no longer allowed to bob their dog's tails. Why should parents be allowed to cut a piece of a baby's penis off?

 

[STS]

To my knowledge South Africans are no longer allowed to bob their dog's tails. Why should parents be allowed to cut a piece of a baby's penis off?

a penis is not a tail Ockie

 

[Ockie]

a penis is not a tail Ockie

The penis chases the tail though.

All I am saying that if people are not allowed to bob a pet's tail due to it being unnecessary and could be considered cruel, why should parents be allowed to cut off a piece of their child's penis. If there is a medical reason, such as the forskin being too tight etc, then by all means. Else, leave the poor child's tottie alone for god sakes!

 

[Sherbang]

To my knowledge South Africans are no longer allowed to bob their dog's tails. Why should parents be allowed to cut a piece of a baby's penis off?

There are many reasons why a parent chooses to circumcise their baby - religious beliefs, concerns about hygiene, or cultural or social reasons. The medical evidence supporting the use of circumcision to prevent STDs, penile cancer, and to reduce UTIs is overwhelming.

 

[porchrat]

Why is it such a big deal to let the child make his own decision when he grows up?

The part I find most ironic is that pretty much all of the small benefits gained from circumcision are things concerning adult life.