The Absurd Reason Why America Circumcises Baby Boys

[STS]

Even if only a few resent it in later life is reason enough to not do it at all.

i resent my family raising me afrikaans/using corporal punishment/raising me wiccan - time to start that support group....

 

[porchrat]

is a circumcision life threatening?

Unfortunately they can be. Living in SA, with the myriad of articles we get on it each year, I certainly hope you are keenly aware of that.

(obviously with the doctor's room hygenic kind, while having occasional complications some perhaps even fatal, they are relatively safe)

because i can be equally petty and argue we don't need vaccines if we all just clean up and are more hygienic

Not really.

That isn't even petty, it just sounds really really ignorant... like Jacob Zuma showering protects against HIV levels of ignorance.

 

[Nerfherder]

When my foreskin is pulled back in my jocks its the most uncomfortable thing in the world. The feeling of the head of my dick against my hairy legs on against the cotton of my jocks is the worst thing ever.

Not sure how dudes cope with that all day ?

 

[Nick333]

i resent my family raising me afrikaans/using corporal punishment/raising me wiccan - time to start that support group....

None of which caused irreparable physical damage- hopefully.

 

[ponder]

is a circumcision life threatening?

Yes. All surgical procedures have the potential for complications. Babies have died from complications before, some had amputations and this was in real hospitals. I won't even go into the numbers that die in SA yearly due to their cultural circumcisions.

If uncircumcised is so bad why does the majority of the planet not circumcise their kids? It's mostly done for religious reasons and in the USA for reasons that started in religion and then into quackery to stop all kinds of evils like dementia, masturbation etc and finally into a big money making racket. They make loads of money out of the procedure over there, gets sold to pharmaceutical companies as well as cosmetic companies, women smear foreskins on their face

 

[ponder]

(obviously with the doctor's room hygenic kind, while having occasional complications some perhaps even fatal, they are relatively safe)

Even with those there are deaths but more so amputations.

Do no harm...

 

[HapticSimian]

When my foreskin is pulled back in my jocks its the most uncomfortable thing in the world. The feeling of the head of my dick against my hairy legs on against the cotton of my jocks is the worst thing ever.

Not sure how dudes cope with that all day ?

Desensitisation. One of circumcision's many... erm... 'benefits'.

 

[Ockie]

When my foreskin is pulled back in my jocks its the most uncomfortable thing in the world. The feeling of the head of my dick against my hairy legs on against the cotton of my jocks is the worst thing ever.

Not sure how dudes cope with that all day ?

I think it eventually gets desensitized to it. I agree, it is not nice.

 

[SmartKit]

I am circumcised and my son was at birth.
I can honestly say I didn't know any better until a couple years ago.
Now seeing all these radio ads and the drive by NUMSA and the ANC to become circumcised as a way to prevent or minimize AIDS, it is very sad.

I just think it's a total lack of education on the subject based on years of indoctrination.

Edit: The ads and posters were hinting towards it actually preventing AIDS, not reducing the risk.

Problem is there is a large portion of the population not using condoms, and they don't intend to either!

 

[ShaunSA]

When my foreskin is pulled back in my jocks its the most uncomfortable thing in the world. The feeling of the head of my dick against my hairy legs on against the cotton of my jocks is the worst thing ever.

Not sure how dudes cope with that all day ?

They don't. They lose the sensitivity that you have. Happened to me post-snip as well. Just took a few months and I was aware of it as opposed to a baby who wouldn't even remember.

 

[STS]

Unfortunately they can be. Living in SA, with the myriad of articles we get on it each year, I certainly hope you are keenly aware of that.

Not really.

That isn't even petty, it just sounds really really ignorant. Like Julius Malema ignorant.

i'm talking about proper procedures here, i don't use examples of witch doctors jabbing kids with HIV infected needles when administrating vaccines. the two groups arguing here are as petty as one another, you have people lobbing skin off for some sky fairy and you have another group who thinks they're instant parents and knows what is best for the rest of humanity.

it's logic Porch. why are cleaner hospitals less likely to have outbreaks and health issues than dirty hospitals? now apply the same logic to a penis. this is SA as you said, not everyone has the luxury of washing their penis every day ...

all i'm saying is that i'm happy with my chopped up and mangled penis, and wouldn't have appreciated any of you badgering my parents with pitchforks and signboards 30 years ago

 

[Nick333]

i'm talking about proper procedures here, i don't use examples of witch doctors jabbing kids with HIV infected needles when administrating vaccines. the two groups arguing here are as petty as one another, you have people lobbing skin off for some sky fairy and you have another group who thinks they're instant parents and knows what is best for the rest of humanity.

it's logic Porch. why are cleaner hospitals less likely to have outbreaks and health issues than dirty hospitals? now apply the same logic to a penis. this is SA as you said, not everyone has the luxury of washing their penis every day ...

all i'm saying is that i'm happy with my chopped up and mangled penis, and wouldn't have appreciated any of you badgering my parents with pitchforks and signboards 30 years ago

You could quite easily remove other bits of babies without killing them.

 

[STS]

You could quite easily remove other bits of babies without killing them.

you could quite easily do as nature intended and let infants die at birth too if we're going to be fussy about the things they'll complain about at the age of 18.

i'm not arguing that it doesn't NEED to be done, i understand it doesn't need to be done, but what i'm trying to say is that i'm not that child's PARENT.

despite how strongly we all feel about it, it's not going to become a law any time soon, we aren't going to barge into delivery rooms telling people how to raise their kids and at most, we can only decide how we'll raise our own kids and offer advice to others.

worse case scenario? i had a piece of skin chopped off, i'm fine with it, my penis still works. no biggie. maybe i was molested and had a penis put in my mouth too while the doctor was handling me, i won't know, but i'm still here and alive and happy

 

[porchrat]

i'm talking about proper procedures here i don't use examples of witch doctors jabbing kids with HIV infected needles when administrating vaccines.

Read the edited post. Note that it also doesn't just apply to witchdoctors. No surgical procedure is risk free.

the two groups arguing here are as petty as one another, you have people lobbing skin off for some sky fairy and you have another group who thinks they're instant parents and knows what is best for the rest of humanity.

Whether one is a parent or not is largely irrelevant.

it's logic Porch. why are cleaner hospitals less likely to have outbreaks and health issues than dirty hospitals? now apply the same logic to a penis. this is SA as you said, not everyone has the luxury of washing their penis every day ...

I agree and with those where infections become an ongoing problem circumcision should be considered. However don't for a moment pretend that reflects every case. I can't see a viable justification for performing a circumcision on a baby for those where hygiene isn't a problem. Pretty much all of the touted benefits for circumcision apply only to adults, not babies. Makes sense at that point to delay the procedure until the child is old enough to decide for himself.

all i'm saying is that i'm happy with my chopped up and mangled penis, and wouldn't have appreciated any of you badgering my parents with pitchforks and signboards 30 years ago

I personally would have liked to have made the choice myself. Especially considering the procedure offered me no significant benefits prior to the point where I could have made up my own mind.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

is a circumcision life threatening?

Did you somehow miss the many teenagers who've died or had to have their penises amputated?

Even in safer circumstances it's a completely unnecessary risk.

because i can be equally petty and argue we don't need vaccines if we all just clean up and are more hygienic

You would be just plain wrong, and the two aren't remotely comparable.

 

[Nick333]

Also, it's not a master of demonizing patents who had their kids snipped 30 years ago when there wasn't enough information available to make an informed decision. It's obviously not the worst thing to happen to someone. It's a matter of doing it now that we know that the benefits are negligible to say the least. You are removing a piece of a child without his consent for no good reason.

 

[porchrat]

you could quite easily do as nature intended and let infants die at birth too if we're going to be fussy about the things they'll complain about at the age of 18.

i'm not arguing that it doesn't NEED to be done, i understand it doesn't need to be done, but what i'm trying to say is that i'm not that child's PARENT.

Considering that all surgical procedures carry risk when something doesn't need to be done and the parent has it done anyway, instead of leaving it up to the child at a later stage, they are putting the child at risk for no significant gain. That sounds like poor parenting to me.

 

[ponder]

worse case scenario? i had a piece of skin chopped off, i'm fine with it, my penis still works. no biggie. maybe i was molested and had a penis put in my mouth too while the doctor was handling me, i won't know, but i'm still here and alive and happy

Worse case scenario is you die and that is in a modern western hospital, not the bush.

http://www.examiner.com/article/circumcision-s-complications-what-could-go-wrong
http://www.mensstudies.com/content/b64n267w47m333x0/?p=488e687276f346699601a0275fc5827b&pi=2
http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html

 

[Ninja'd]

Some women can't handle foreskin. At least 2 tried to kill me by circumcision attempts disguised as hjs and bjs.

 

[STS]

Some women can't handle foreskin. At least 2 tried to kill me by circumcision attempts disguised as hjs and bjs.

that's all of us dude, and the teeth my penis sometimes ends up looking like it's gone thru a cheese grater