The Absurd Reason Why America Circumcises Baby Boys

Ockie

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methinks you should teach him a big lesson in respect, and make sure he takes it, like a man :D

We have been down this road and had a talk about this exact thing with mrs. antman. Apparently he kicks her off everytime she tries to mount him!
 

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Over and above the matter of subjectively gauging individuals' satisfaction, joelus, it really is a question of fairly elementary physiology. It's no great leap from knowing (even incompletely) what the foreskin contains in terms of nerves and tissue, to realising that simply lopping it off isn't quite as, erm, cut and dried as proponents would have one believe.

So you have research that shows a loss of sensitivity?

All the research I could find concludes there is no difference, whatever you may or may not intuitively think...
 

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i am unsure as to how these "sensitivity" studies can be accurate.
what standard, or sexual experience, is being equally applied to all the participating subjects ?
 

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We have been down this road and had a talk about this exact thing with mrs. antman. Apparently he kicks her off everytime she tries to mount him!

perseverance is required when breaking in your ride at the rodeo
 

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i am unsure as to how these "sensitivity" studies can be accurate.
what standard, or sexual experience, is being equally applied to all the participating subjects ?

That's part of the problem yes, which is why the claim that it leads to a loss of sensitivity is not factual.
Of course, someone who is circumcised as an adult would be able to tell before/after if his sensitivity is effected in the long term.

The research I found says the following:

The researchers conducted a search of various literature databases using keywords related to sexual function (including performance, erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, orgasm difficulties or pain during sex), sensitivity and sensation of the penis, and self-reported satisfaction (sensation of pleasure or orgasm intensity). They conducted this search first, then searched for the same terms in combination with the keyword circumcision to ensure they didn’t miss any relevant studies. They also looked through reference lists of retrieved articles.
Eligible studies were observational studies (cohort, case control or cross sectional). Studies were rated using a recognised quality-grading system, and the lowest quality studies were excluded. This included case reports, discussion, and opinion pieces. They also excluded studies related to procedural aspects of circumcision.
The inclusion criteria were met by 36 studies, which reported data for 40,473 men, including 19,542 not circumcised and 20,931 circumcised. Just under half of those circumcised had had the procedure carried out in infancy. Over half the studies had collected data on premature ejaculation, erectile dysfunction, or sexual satisfaction or pleasure, while around a quarter had collected information on time to ejaculation, pain during sex, orgasm difficulties or sensitivity.

The research is discussed by study. The 36 studies only included two randomised controlled trials (RCTs) – though this is not especially surprising as most adult men would not volunteer to be randomly assigned to be circumcised or not, unless there was a pressing health reason to do so.

One RCT was from Kenya, it including included 2,784 men, used a behavioural questionnaire to examine sexual performance or satisfaction between those randomised to be circumcised and those not, and found no significant differences between the groups. The second, from Uganda, included around 4,500 men and again found no differences in sexual performance or satisfaction between those randomised to be circumcised and not.

In observational studies, a US Health and Social Life Survey of almost 1,500 men found that erectile dysfunction was more common among uncircumcised men, while an Australian telephone survey found reports of fewer sexual difficulties among circumcised men.
 

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That's part of the problem yes, which is why the claim that it leads to a loss of sensitivity is not factual.
Of course, someone who is circumcised as an adult would be able to tell before/after if his sensitivity is effected in the long term.

The research I found says the following:

Yes it was. Happy now? ;)

Or is decades of pre-snip and two years of post-snip not long term enough for you?
 

HapticSimian

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So you have research that shows a loss of sensitivity?

All the research I could find concludes there is no difference, whatever you may or may not intuitively think...

Like, say, a study entitled Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis which found, inter alia, that: "Circumcision ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis"? Yeah, research supporting both sides of the spectrum isn't difficult to find...

Which does nothing to diminish my contention that it's simply barbarism masquerading as culture.
 

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Yes it was. Happy now? ;)

Or is decades of pre-snip and two years of post-snip not long term enough for you?

Just out of interest, why did you decide to get circumcised 2 years ago?
Especially since you consider it mutilation with no positive reasons going for it...
 

Ockie

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Why did you have the snip again Shaun? I cant remember now. Were you tripping over it or something? :D

Damn, joelus beat me too it.
 
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