The Absurd Reason Why America Circumcises Baby Boys

[EMAM]

Yes, you did, sadly... but it does not follow that you are a crap mother, or that his love life won't be fulfilling. However, people in your situation need to make peace with the reality that what you had done was a distinctly unnecessary, harmful act, deemed acceptable by society only because of its ties to religion and culture. 'Religious reasons' should not and cannot be a catch-all justification.

Yes, I will start therapy tomorrow to make peace with this situation as this is the biggest problem in my life at the moment.

 

[Ockie]

Yes, I will start therapy tomorrow to make peace with this situation as this is the biggest problem in my life at the moment.

You joined this conversation and now you getting sarcastic because you do not like our argument?

 

[HapticSimian]

Yes, I will start therapy tomorrow to make peace with this situation as this is the biggest problem in my life at the moment.

Your biggest problem seems to be your indoctrinated inability to recognise flaws in your own judgement. Try therapy for that, maybe.

 

[EMAM]

You joined this conversation and now you getting sarcastic because you do not like our argument?

Because I'm told to make peace - I mean, wtf? I have more important issues to make peace with!

 

[HapticSimian]

Because I'm told to make peace - I mean, wtf? I have more important issues to make peace with!

No, you don't! Just dismiss them as being part of your culture and they'll magically vanish!

 

[Ockie]

Because I'm told to make peace - I mean, wtf? I have more important issues to make peace with!

How I read it is that parents like you that cut their baby boys for religious reasons should simply see that doing it in the name of religion does not make it right. You are however getting rather aggressive and I am not sure why? I think I and others have been talking and arguing with you in a very civilized way regarding this topic.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

**** just got real

 

[Aghori]

These Circumcised v.s Uncircumcised threads never go down well.

 

[HapticSimian]

These Circumcised v.s Uncircumcised threads never go down well.

Rightfully so, far as I'm concerned. People blowing each other up; 'courts' having people stoned to death over utter trivialities; people taking a blade to their babies; people assigning themselves the right to mandate others' bacon consumption... I've near had my fill of all flavours of this tripe.

 

[SoulTax]

mu·ti·late


verb (used with object), mu·ti·lat·ed, mu·ti·lat·ing.
1.
to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts

Did we injure our son? No. He cried I am sure, so damn straight you injured him. Just because he was too small to remember it does not give you a free pass on this one.
Did we disfigure our son? No. You do not have to be Quasimodo to be disfigured. Chopping off the tip of a nipple would be disfiguration, why not then the tip of the penis?
Did we make his penis imperfect? No. Yes, See above and below for context
Did we Remove or irrepareably damage his penis? No. Did you not read the bit about loss of sensitivity? Oh and leaving out part of the definition to try to slip it by is a little silly.

So yes to all 4 actually.

That is not to say that you are a bad parent. You worked with the knowledge that you had at the time. Although if the decision was made with religious undertones, then I might have to revise my above statement.

 

[SoulTax]

It was done for religious purposes - there wasn't surgery and he is NOT going to know the difference between sex with a foreskin or without!

That is like sewing his eyes shut at birth, then claiming he is never going to know the difference between the world with vision or without. Bad, bad logic.

 

[tRoN]

And Jews. And Muslims. And the Bantu. And. And. And.

It's not compulsory in Islam but recommended.

 

[STS]

That is like sewing his eyes shut at birth, then claiming he is never going to know the difference between the world with vision or without. Bad, bad logic.

a piece of useless skin versus eyes is no a fair comparison either

i only know of myself and Porchrat being circumcised on this forum, and his and my reaction are both meh

 

[Nick333]

a piece of useless skin versus eyes is no a fair comparison either

i only know of myself and Porchrat being circumcised on this forum, and his and my reaction are both meh

It's a useless piece of skin in a similar way that ear lobes are useless bits of flesh. Except of course that the foreskin is one of the denser concentrations of nerve endings on the human skin. It's an erogenous zone that parents causally allow be removed entirely unnecessarily.

Mrs_ant is probably right in that it isn't missed by those who had theirs removed as babies but, that doesn't justify removing it. The religious and cultural origins were probably for hygenic reasons as was the prohibition against pork. It's just completely unnecessary as long as people practice modern standards of hygiene.

 

[EMAM]

a piece of useless skin versus eyes is no a fair comparison either

i only know of myself and Porchrat being circumcised on this forum, and his and my reaction are both meh

+1 and that is why this debate/argument can carry on and on. Those that are circumcised will say it's right and those not will argue, sorry debate, that it's right...

 

[Ockie]

+1 and that is why this debate/argument can carry on and on. Those that are circumcised will say it's right and those not will argue, sorry debate, that it's right...

It is sad that you and others like you see nothing wrong with cutting a baby boy. Really sad.

Oh well, what can you do.

 

[STS]

+1 and that is why this debate/argument can carry on and on. Those that are circumcised will say it's right and those not will argue, sorry debate, that it's right...

well i don't KNOW what i've been missing honestly, but i don't think people should be angry on my behalf when i'm happy with my mutilated and disfigured penis

 

[ponder]

+1 and that is why this debate/argument can carry on and on. Those that are circumcised will say it's right and those not will argue, sorry debate, that it's right...

With that logic cultural circumcision of girls must also be ok and I'm referring specifically to Type I one here which is the removal of the clitoral hood (There are Types I, Ib, II, III & IV which refers to the severity level of FGM).

Type I is identical to male circumcision as it removes only the skin covering the glans or clitoris (anatomically they are the same thing as the clitoris becomes the glans in fetal development).

So is removing this piece of useless skin also OK in female babies then if it's a cultural practice??? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Or how about the left earlobe if your religion/culture prescribed it?

 

[HapticSimian]

Sad how quick people are to trivialise matters. Makes it easier to just maintain the status quo, I suppose.

well i don't KNOW what i've been missing honestly, but i don't think people should be angry on my behalf when i'm happy with my mutilated and disfigured penis

Not on your behalf, dude... As we were so nonchalantly told a few posts back what's done is, indeed, done. That is not to say that societal acceptance of such practices shouldn't be tested. For 2,000 years bloodletting was the go-to remedy for just about any ailment; today we know better.

 

[EMAM]

It is sad that you and others like you see nothing wrong with cutting a baby boy. Really sad.

Oh well, what can you do.

Well, it is my religion and I respect the laws of my religion.