The ANC and anti-semitism

LoneGunman

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1. There IS a massively powerful and influential 'Jewish lobby' in the USA - which acts as an unofficial front group for the policies of the Israeli Government itself.

This is simple fact. I refer people to an excellent documentary (which examines the power and influence of AIPAC on Media coverage, issues regarding Israel, and lobbying for dollars)

"Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565
 

PeterCH

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Christians are the ones with the most influence and responsible for most disasters/crimes against humanity.

Bull$hit. ;) Unless of course those are your ancestors, my Christian ancestors
were not responsible for disasters/crimes in fact were on the receiving end of
all the crime from many others around, but we don't cry so much about it.
 

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1. There IS a massively powerful and influential 'Jewish lobby' in the USA - which acts as an unofficial front group for the policies of the Israeli Government itself.

This is simple fact. I refer people to an excellent documentary (which examines the power and influence of AIPAC on Media coverage, issues regarding Israel, and lobbying for dollars)

"Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565
Ah, finally someone mentioned AIPAC. Glad to see at least someone else here is aware of some of the undertows of US politics.

Of course, imagine there was a ACPAC (American Chinese Public Action Comittee), and All US presidential nominees made a habit of giving speeches to the comittee, and they promised to the people there that China would have sovereignty over Honk Kong, and that the US fully supports China in that endevour.

People would say that ACPAC had a lot of political clout, but that wouldn't be a conspiracy theory.

And then there's this gem in AIPAC's history :

In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Director of the National Security Agency. [19]
Suspicious? Nhaaaaaa. :rolleyes:

If any particular politician pisses AIPAC off, they can expect to be the target of a smear campaign. Usually this is more than enough to cost any particular congressman the election. AIPAC also funds pro-israeli candidates helping them to win seats. It doesn't mean that there's some conspiracy to control the world, but it does mean that zionists are extremely influentual in US politics.

A further example :
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/02/1327325.aspx

"We had a good productive discussion on the importance of the U.S.-Israel relationship, and we were pleased that Gov. Palin expressed her deep, personal, and lifelong commitment to the safety and well-being of Israel,"
That was practically the first people she spoke to since her role as VP candidate was anounced. And how many other US politicians have stated that they have a "deep", "personal", "lifelong" commitment to Israel? It's not a few, that's for sure.

And then let's not forget the common claims that Israel and America's interests are supposedly "identical", even though they actually aren't. There's many Jewish politicians who proudly claim that their primary loyalty is towards Israel. Somehow this manages to pass without comment.

Just imagine if there were a large number of muslim US politicians claiming that their primary loyalty was to Saudi Arabia. What would happen?

And let's not forget the most recent gaffe :
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0113/breaking13.htm

Israel's prime minister claimed yesterday that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was embarrassed by orders to abstain from voting last week on a UN truce resolution for Gaza that she helped arrange.

Israel had argued that the Security Council measure calling for a halt to the Gaza fighting - which passed Thursday in a 14-0 vote with the US abstaining - was unworkable because it did not guarantee Israel's security.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he called President George W. Bush to seek an abstention from the US, a key Israeli ally at the United Nations.

"I said: 'Get me President Bush on the phone,'" Olmert said in a speech in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon. "They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn't care: 'I need to talk to him now.' He got off the podium and spoke to me."
Coincedence?

How many other such cases of bragging is it going to take before people realise just how influentual zionists are in US politics?

As a final note, Israeli society is quite happy to openly debate the influence of Zionists on US politics. To most Israelis, such influence is a reasonable prospect. It's more a question of how much, not if.
 

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How many other such cases of bragging is it going to take before people realise just how influentual zionists are in US politics?

If this is true…
\\plays x-files tune and put on tinfoil hat

Why is it bad? I'd rather refer them rather than terrorists having an influence on America's politics.
 

d0b33

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Bull$hit. ;) Unless of course those are your ancestors, my Christian ancestors
were not responsible for disasters/crimes in fact were on the receiving end of
all the crime from many others around, but we don't cry so much about it.

Well you see... you fell for my twist at the end, people like to blame Jews for everything and I showed that you can blame Christians too. Truth is that anyone with power (or surrounded by powerful people) will have influence in the world, some happen to be Jewish and they might influence things for their agenda(Rothschilds + Balfour declaration for eg.) but if you look at what happened during the Bush years (stem cell research block etc) they were mostly Christian influences.

And let's not forget the most recent gaffe :
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0113/breaking13.htm


Coincedence?

The funny thing about this gaffe is that the Whitehouse denied it happened and video footage of Bush at the speech shows he was not interrupted. I had a good laugh seeing Mark Regev defend Olmert's claim(aljazeera had a good news story on this).

There is no doubt that Israel has influence but I think those in power like Olmert are a little deluded by how much.

With regards to AIPAC, many Americans(mostly Christian) love to see such a strong lobby for Israel, they have been brainwashed into loving Israel oblivious to the reason why we have Islamic terrorism is because of Israel.
 
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Why is it bad? I'd rather refer them rather than terrorists having an influence on America's politics.
Um, why isn't it bad? Another nation, with supporters of that nation, is unduly affecting the domestic politics of a foreign nation.

Would you like it if a bunch of Kenyans got citizenship in S.A. and did their damndest to ensure that only South Africans who expressed undying loyalty towards Kenya got into positions of power?

Secondly the terrorist thing is completely a false dichotomy. The third and obvious choice is that no nation should control the domestic affairs of another nation.

Furthermore, Israel abuses the support it gets from the U.S. in order to snub international law and generally act as a "rogue nation". Without this support its behaviour would have to be far more reasonable, and this definitely go along way to removing a LOT of the anger that arabs in general have towards the west. Less anger = less tolerance of extremism = lack of support for extremists = better situation for everybody.
 

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ROFL Jews controlling the world....... Can you imagine if the Muslims controlled the world? We would all have to be Muslim.
 

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If the jews control the world then why arent we all jewish?
Not that Jews control the world, but Judaism as a religion does not go out of its way to convert unbelievers. If they did control the world, they wouldn't make any effort to change the religious beliefs of gentiles.
 

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The funny thing about this gaffe is that the Whitehouse denied it happened and video footage of Bush at the speech shows he was not interrupted. I had a good laugh seeing Mark Regev defend Olmert's claim(aljazeera had a good news story on this).

There is no doubt that Israel has influence but I think those in power like Olmert are a little deluded by how much.

With regards to AIPAC, many Americans(mostly Christian) love to see such a strong lobby for Israel, they have been brainwashed into loving Israel oblivious to the reason why we have Islamic terrorism is because of Israel.
So you think it's likely that Condi would not vote on a UN resolution she drafted?

:confused:

Even IF Olmert didn't drag Bush out of a speech, it's very strange that a diplomat would not vote on the same bill they helped draft.

And the reason many fundamentalist Christians are so supportive of Israel is because they believe that having all the Jews in Israel so that God can fry them all is one of the pre-conditions to the events in Revelations coming forth.
 

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So you think it's likely that Condi would not vote on a UN resolution she drafted?

:confused:

Even IF Olmert didn't drag Bush out of a speech, it's very strange that a diplomat would not vote on the same bill they helped draft.

I'm just saying Olmert was boasting, no doubt that there was influence from Israel or Jewish support in the U.S. but Olmert took all the credit and tried to impress the Israelis he was speaking too.

Israel's influence in the white house is strong this is no secret, Olmert does not need to get on the phone to Bush, this guy is a joke and reminds me of P.W. Botha.

And the reason many fundamentalist Christians are so supportive of Israel is because they believe that having all the Jews in Israel so that God can fry them all is one of the pre-conditions to the events in Revelations coming forth.
That's some fundamentalists, most Christians see Israel as an ally against Muslims in the holy land or just watched too many Holocaust movies and feel sympathetic.
 
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Humanity would be better served NEVER to FORGET the events of the Holocaust

I'm just saying Olmert was boasting, no doubt that there was influence from Israel or Jewish support in the U.S. but Olmert took all the credit and tried to impress the Israelis he was speaking too.

Israel's influence in the white house is strong this is no secret, Olmert does not need to get on the phone to Bush, this guy is a joke and reminds me of P.W. Botha.


That's some fundamentalists, most Christians see Israel as an ally against Muslims in the holy land or just watched too many Holocaust movies and feel sympathetic.
 

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most Christians see Israel as an ally against Muslims in the holy land or just watched too many Holocaust movies and feel sympathetic.

Wrong, most Christians do not have a problem with Muslims or see them as their enemy, but many see Israel as an ally against terrorism for which we have no sympathy at all.
 

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Israel's influence in the white house is strong this is no secret, Olmert does not need to get on the phone to Bush, this guy is a joke and reminds me of P.W. Botha.
Perhaps you missed the announcement but neither of the former President Bushs [grammer nazi's feel free] currently reside in the White House.
 

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Humanity would be better served NEVER to FORGET the events of the Holocaust

Yes we should not forget the Holocaust, but what about the Gypsies, Communists, Poles etc. who died in concentration camps? also more than 20 million Russians died during WW2.. just saying that there are many similar atrocities that are forgotten(Bosnia?) and Hollywood(where Jewish influence is strong) makes sure to tell us the Jewish side only.

If Gypsies outnumbered Jews Hitler would have paid more attention to them first and sent them to the gas chambers in the 1000s.

Perhaps you missed the announcement but neither of the former President Bushs [grammer nazi's feel free] currently reside in the White House.

Yes I know, this was about a situation a few days ago when Bush was President.
 
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tcltk

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But to the Hamas the Holocaust never happened.. no?
Do you think the SA minister who said what she said deserves to stay in office or should resign / apologise / all of the above?

Yes we should not forget the Holocaust, but what about the Gypsies, Communists, Poles etc. who died in concentration camps? also more than 20 million Russians died during WW2.. just saying that there are many similar atrocities that are forgotten(Bosnia?) and Hollywood(where Jewish influence is strong) makes sure to tell us the Jewish side only.

If Gypsies outnumbered Jews Hitler would have paid more attention to them first and sent them to the gas chambers in the 1000s.



Yes I know, this was about a situation a few days ago when Bush was President.
 

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Yes we should not forget the Holocaust, but what about the Gypsies, Communists, Poles etc. who died in concentration camps? also more than 20 million Russians died during WW2.. just saying that there are many similar atrocities that are forgotten(Bosnia?) .
No we haven't forgotten Bosnia.
That where the Jewish Americans saved the Muslims bacon, and where they consider America a good ally.

Bosnian Muslims See U.S. as an Ally

Alija Izetbegovic, a Muslim, was President of Bosnia during the Bosnian war.

TIME: Why in your view have most Bosnian Muslims opposed the attacks on Washington and New York, while most of the rest of the Islamic world has remained at best divided on the question?

Izetbegovic: We see the U.S. as an ally. The Americans stopped the war in Bosnian and they gave a big contribution to reconstruction of the country. In Kosovo, they also stopped the brutal ethnic cleansing. One important fact is often overlooked: the U.S. has been in Bosnia for almost six years now and there hasn't been a single negative gesture by the Bosnian people towards U.S. soldiers. This is not by chance. It is a reflection of the positive stance of our public towards the U.S. presence here.
 
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d0b33

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Do you think the SA minister who said what she said deserves to stay in office or should resign / apologise / all of the above?

Did you miss my first post in this thread? I said that Jews are always getting credit for controlling the world and this is not true, yes some are influential but anyone who is (regardless of religion) will have influence.

Jews get too much credit... what about Christians like Douglas Coe leader of "The Family"? see not only the "Jews" influence people.
 
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