The ANC and anti-semitism

[Mephisto_Helix]

Yes we should not forget the Holocaust, but what about the Gypsies, Communists, Poles etc. who died in concentration camps? also more than 20 million Russians died during WW2.. just saying that there are many similar atrocities that are forgotten(Bosnia?) and Hollywood(where Jewish influence is strong) makes sure to tell us the Jewish side only.

If Gypsies outnumbered Jews Hitler would have paid more attention to them first and sent them to the gas chambers in the 1000s.

1) That Russian death toll is as much on the shoulders of the Russians themselves due to mad old Stalin.
2) I have seen movies on the Russian perspective and on the Poles ..... Same with Bosnia. Funny how they got made with those evil Jews in control of Hollywood huh.

 

[tcltk]

and that makes the ministers statements okay?
You didnt answer, should she be fired / apologise / resign / none of the above?

Did you miss my first post in this thread? I said that Jews are always getting credit for controlling the world and this is not true, yes some are influential but anyone who is (regardless of religion) will have influence.

Jews get too much credit... what about Christians like Douglas Coe leader of "The Family"? see not only the "Jews" influence people.

 

[d0b33]

No we haven't forgotten Bosnia.
That where the Jewish Americans saved the Muslims bacon, and where they consider America a good ally.

Bosnian Muslims See U.S. as an Ally

Clinton helped them, Bush senior said there was no problem. Yes Jews spoke out(not the majority only a few, just like the few who speak out against Israel) about what happened because it was comparable to the holocaust.

Also a video recently surfaced(filmed by the soldiers themselves) lining up the Muslim men in a queue, forcing them to step forward and await a shot from behind executing them. None are blindfolded they just have to watch the person in front step forward and die and this queue was not 10 or so but hundreds.

Now why is this atrocity not being made into a big budget picture? or any of the Palestinians who are forced from their land or killed by Jewish settlers in Israel/Palestine? looks like someone wants people to forget because they are not Jewish.

 

[tcltk]

huh? I thought you just said Jews dont control the world - but your statements sure make it sound like you think so..

Clinton helped them, Bush senior said there was no problem. Yes Jews spoke out(not the majority only a few, just like the few who speak out against Israel) about what happened because it was comparable to the holocaust.

Also a video recently surfaced(filmed by the soldiers themselves) lining up the Muslim men in a queue, forcing them to step forward and await a shot from behind executing them. None are blindfolded they just have to watch the person in front step forward and die and this queue was not 10 or so but hundreds.

Now why is this atrocity not being made into a big budget picture? or any of the Palestinians who are forced from their land or killed by Jewish settlers in Israel/Palestine? looks like someone wants people to forget because they are not Jewish.

 

[d0b33]

and that makes the ministers statements okay?
You didnt answer, should she be fired / apologise / resign / none of the above?

No it's not okay, but I would say none of the above, if you force the person to do any of your three options it just makes them feel vindicated.

This is not the U.S were if you speak badly about Jews you would be forced to apologize, if this was about Muslims would you care?

huh? I thought you just said Jews dont control the world - but your statements sure make it sound like you think so..

I said some have influence in certain areas(hollywood) they don't control the world, there is a BIG difference.

BTW the influence in Hollywood is something anyone with money can achieve, it's not a conspiracy.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Also a video recently surfaced(filmed by the soldiers themselves) lining up the Muslim men in a queue, forcing them to step forward and await a shot from behind executing them. None are blindfolded they just have to watch the person in front step forward and die and this queue was not 10 or so but hundreds.

if that's real and not some propaganda (I just can't see someone filming something like that), then I don't care who it is, punishment and revulsion is due.

 

[tcltk]

Personally, to me, it wouldnt matter if something were said about Jew/Muslim/anone else, it would be the context and underlying message that was being said.. if it were as blatant and derogatory(sorry4spelling), then i would feel just as againt it.. but very little (if any) seems to have happened (even per your personal view).. or would it be fair to say there would have been a far louder outcry in SA and by ANC if the same comments were directed towards a Muslim?

No it's not okay, but I would say none of the above, if you force the person to do any of your three options it just makes them feel vindicated.

This is not the U.S were if you speak badly about Jews you would be forced to apologize, if this was about Muslims would you care?

 

[d0b33]

or would it be fair to say there would have been a far louder outcry in SA and by ANC if the same comments were directed towards a Muslim?

Good question... but I don't see a statement like "Muslims control the world" as being offensive if it were something like Kill all the Jews/Muslims then there would be a need for action but this was just typical ANC stupid rhetoric.

 

[Frankie]

Good question... but I don't see a statement like "Muslims control the world" as being offensive if it were something like Kill all the Jews/Muslims then there would be a need for action but this was just typical ANC stupid rhetoric.

Or was it typical Muslim rhetoric?

It seems like the ANC distance themselves from this disgusting MP's comments.

Hate speech a no-no

Foreign minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma has distanced the government from anti-Semitic remarks attributed to her deputy, Fatima Hajaig. These did not reflect SA foreign policy, she said on Thursday.

 

[alloytoo]

Also a video recently surfaced(filmed by the soldiers themselves) lining up the Muslim men in a queue, forcing them to step forward and await a shot from behind executing them. None are blindfolded they just have to watch the person in front step forward and die and this queue was not 10 or so but hundreds.

Link

 

[d0b33]

Link

Yes I would like one too, I saw it on one of the news channels was a short documentary but can't remember the name now... if I find it I'll post it.

But this is the closest thing for now to prove that massacres were happening...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

 

[NameOfBeast]

SA slams anti-Semitism but asks meddling Jews not to provoke it (hayibo SATIRE)

PRETORIA. The South African government has officially condemned anti-Semitism after Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Fatiema Hajaig accused Western countries of being controlled by "Jewish money". However it has asked Jews not to meddle in the controversy, appealing them to stay in their banks, operating theatres and jewelers' shops to avoid provoking the public.

"Nobody is saying that Jews eat their babies, like it says in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Little prime cuts, maybe, but never the whole baby. That's ridiculous."
...
He also suggested that Government would find it easier to protect Jews if they were more easily identifiable, "perhaps with arm-bands showing the Star of David".

http://www.hayibo.com/articles/view/964

 

[krycor]

ROFL Jews controlling the world....... Can you imagine if the Muslims controlled the world? We would all have to be Muslim.

That's the biggest fallacy the western world, particularly the Christians have spread post crusades. Kinda ironic though if you think about it as the Christians are undeniably guilty of this on every single continent and varying methods from ultimatums, force, starvation etc even in SA as we speak this continues to happen in the poorest of poor areas where assistance only comes with forced conversion.

 

[antriksh]

Well just take a look at Saudi Arabia its the only country on earth where women can't drive. There are other more milder proponents of the same religion but unfortunately the ones who hold power in the muslim world like to keep disenfranchised and impoverished masses occupied via fundamentalist and anti-semetic rhetoric while keeping all the dough for themselves.

 

[krycor]

Well just take a look at Saudi Arabia its the only country on earth where women can't drive. There are other more milder proponents of the same religion but unfortunately the ones who hold power in the muslim world like to keep disenfranchised and impoverished masses occupied via fundamentalist and anti-semetic rhetoric while keeping all the dough for themselves.

The Saudi's are known to very materialistic, abusing power and wealth, the Iranians have the religious sect split and continually fighting an inner turmoil battle with themselves it seems due to their past(with western influence) and trying to go their own way etc funnily enough i saw a report that said India has the largest population of muslims.. i don't think i'd have guessed that.

Point is this, their leaders and countries are not the best and views not really supported but in the face of growing phobia's of the religion western countries really do not leave much alternatives do they? Go with western corrupt arab leaders or the extremes on the other end who don't stand for the atrocities inflicted.

The Zionist have done pretty much the same with Judaism as well, whereby Zionism is incorporated in the Jewish beliefs and accepted, or risk being called antisemitic, possible i think the biggest invention of the late 19th century carried thru up til now.

 

[Frankie]

The Saudi's are known to very materialistic, abusing power and wealth, the Iranians have the religious sect split and continually fighting an inner turmoil battle with themselves it seems due to their past(with western influence) and trying to go their own way etc funnily enough i saw a report that said India has the largest population of muslims.. i don't think i'd have guessed that.

Point is this, their leaders and countries are not the best and views not really supported but in the face of growing phobia's of the religion western countries really do not leave much alternatives do they? Go with western corrupt arab leaders or the extremes on the other end who don't stand for the atrocities inflicted.

The Zionist have done pretty much the same with Judaism as well, whereby Zionism is incorporated in the Jewish beliefs and accepted, or risk being called antisemitic, possible i think the biggest invention of the late 19th century carried thru up til now.

The largest Muslim population is in Indonesia, and I'm sure you'll blame their failures and shortcomings on the West as well, but rest assured they'll all still keep their hands outstretched for the aid from the West.

 

[krycor]

lol, yah from the bankrupt west

Indonesia isn't just muslim people

 

[Frankie]

Iranians have the religious sect split and continually fighting an inner turmoil battle with themselves it seems due to their past(with western influence) and trying to go their own way

Yes, their "own way" is stoning of adulteress while the male involved goes scot free, and the they boast the highest execution rate of children.
Trying to blame the on past "Western" influence is absurd, just like the ANC blaming their BS on apartheid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1435760.stm

In accordance with Islamic prescription, she was then buried up to her armpits and stoned to death in the presence of judicial and prison officials.

It is the adultery that carries the stoning penalty for women. In May a woman who had been waiting on death row for eight years was stoned for "corruption on earth".

Is their "own way" as you put it, not Sharia law ?

 

[d0b33]

rest assured they'll all still keep their hands outstretched for the aid from the West.

Like Israel?

 

[krycor]

Yes, their "own way" is stoning of adulteress while the male involved goes scot free, and the they boast the highest execution rate of children.
Trying to blame the on past "Western" influence is absurd, just like the ANC blaming their BS on apartheid.

If its a law and you break it who is at fault? The guy getting away?? i dunno about that.

Look at Iranian histroy, do some homework will you, the west over thru their monarch due to oil interests to put in the young monarch.