The ANC and anti-semitism

[Frankie]

If its a law and you break it who is at fault? The guy getting away?? i dunno about that.

Look at Iranian histroy, do some homework will you, the west over thru their monarch due to oil interests to put in the young monarch.

You "dunno about that" but didn't see the need to confirm !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1435760.stm

In accordance with Islamic prescription, she was then buried up to her armpits and stoned to death in the presence of judicial and prison officials.

It is the adultery that carries the stoning penalty for women. In May a woman who had been waiting on death row for eight years was stoned for "corruption on earth".

So they are just like the ANC then - keep blaming apartheid for their BS for next few centuries.
Western influence has nothing to do with Iran's adherence to Sharia law.

 

[Frankie]

Like Israel?

Not really - Israel don't bad mouth the US while holding their hand out for aid.

 

[Xarog]

Yes, their "own way" is stoning of adulteress while the male involved goes scot free,

I wouldn't call being hanged being "scot free".

Trying to blame the on past "Western" influence is absurd, just like the ANC blaming their BS on apartheid.

The west overthrew Iran's parliamentary democracy when it tried to nationalise its oil reserves. The Islamic revolution was a backlash to the West's strongman (the Shah) who was put in the democracy's place.

Maybe if the west had been honest about dealing with people fairly, honest about promoting freedom, honest about promoting democracy, and honest about promoting justice, Iran would still have that parliamentary democracy.

 

[Frankie]

I wouldn't call being hung being "scot free".

It is the adultery that carries the stoning penalty for women. In May a woman who had been waiting on death row for eight years was stoned for "corruption on earth".

Didn't see any punishment for the man, and it's well known that men get away with far more, and in the case of adultery they get off scot free in most cases.

The west overthrew Iran's parliamentary democracy when it tried to nationalise its oil reserves. The Islamic revolution was a backlash to the West's strongman (the Shah) who was put in the democracy's place.

Maybe if the west had been honest about dealing with people fairly, honest about promoting freedom, honest about promoting democracy, and honest about promoting justice, Iran would still have that parliamentary democracy.

So they are forever a lost cause, and "doing it their own way" will mean basic human rights will be never be enjoyed by all because they prefer to keep blaming the west.



These numbers speak for them self.

http://current.com/items/89122779/9_to_face_stoning_in_iran_for_adultery.htm

Nine people in Iran - eight women and one man - have been sentenced to death by stoning after being convicted of adultery in verdicts lawyers blame on a resurgence of hardline Islamic fundamentalism.

The sentences have been imposed in courts across the country despite a supposed moratorium on the punishment, which Iran says is justified under sharia law.

Lawyers say most of the nine have been victims of violence and are mostly too ill-educated to understand the charges against them.

Many of the sentences were handed down after hearings held in private without the presence of witnesses and defence lawyers.

One woman, Kobra Najar, an ethnic Kurd, is said to have been condemned after being forced by her husband into prostitution. After she divorced him, he forced their daughter to sell her body.

Another defendant, Shamame Qorbani, claims she was raped but that the allegation was not investigated.

Details of the sentences were disclosed by Iranian lawyers yesterday in Tehran as they attempted to generate international support for a campaign to force Iran's government to abolish stoning.

Dont see any western influence/interference here:

Sadr said the verdicts were a consequence of an atmosphere of political repression and religious fundamentalism, under which MPs feel free introduce ever more draconian legislation. These include proposed laws allowing execution for witchcraft and bodily punishments such as blinding and amputation under a new penal code before parliament.

 

[Xarog]

Didn't see any punishment for the man, and it's well known that men get away with far more, and in the case of adultery they get off scot free in most cases.

Learn to read. From your own article :

She had been convicted of murdering her husband in complicity with her lover, who has been sentenced to hang.

Clear enough for you?

So they are forever a lost cause, and "doing it their own way" will mean basic human rights will be never be enjoyed by all because they prefer to keep blaming the west.

None of which contradicts the fact that the West is in fact to blame for the current state of affairs, right up until the revolution in 1979. But of course, it's easier to blame the other guy than to admit that the team you're rooting for ever was at fault.

And to everyone sitting on the sidelines, it only makes you look like a hypocrite.

 

[Frankie]

None of which contradicts the fact that the West is in fact to blame for the current state of affairs, right up until the revolution in 1979.

And for how much longer will they continue to blame the west for their atrocities and and lack of progress?

 

[NameOfBeast]

America's Jews are growing tired of Israel's wars

There were Jewish opponets to the war in Gaza. Yet the main body of Jewish opinion still backs Israel with few qualms, while there is little evidence that the protest letters, demo placards and signed adverts have been remotely heeded. Is Jewish dissent, therefore, a lost cause? Not quite.

More importantly, this change is discernible in America too. At the top of a growing American Jewish movement is a new "pro-Israel, pro-peace" lobby group called J Street, founded in early 2008. It stresses commitment to Israel's security and welfare, yet seeks to change the direction of American middle east policy. It has, according to freelance journalist Alexander Zaitchik, "grown to threaten Aipac [the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee] as the most influential voice of American pro-Israel Jewry."

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10617

 

[Vrotappel]

And for how much longer will they continue to blame the west for their atrocities and and lack of progress?

Most probably the SAME PERIOD as their african brothers... forever.

 

[alloytoo]

Yes I would like one too, I saw it on one of the news channels was a short documentary but can't remember the name now... if I find it I'll post it.

But this is the closest thing for now to prove that massacres were happening...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

In gaza?

 

[alloytoo]

Like Israel?

Less than 1% of their GDP

 

[Xarog]

Less than 1% of their GDP

Um, I think you should factor loan guarantees into that particular claim.

 

[alloytoo]

Um, I think you should factor loan guarantees into that particular claim.

Only if the loans aren't met.

 

[Xarog]

Only if the loans aren't met.

well the overwhelming majority of them haven't been paid back. America's never asked. Sounds like a hand out to me.

 

[SuperAntMD]

For anyone who really doesn't get why this is offensive (I suspect some of you are just taking that line to support the minister and your own anti-semitism) here are some links to other conspiracies Jews have been accused of.

There is nothing new about what has been said by our minister- it is as typical of anti-semitic propaganda as you can get. Similiar claims were made in Nazi germany and many other places before Jews were persecuted, evacuated or killed.

The text takes the form of an instruction manual to a new member of the "elders," describing how they will run the world through control of the media and finance, and replace the traditional social order with one based on mass manipulation. Scholars generally agree that the Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, fabricated the text in the late 1890s or early 1900s. Among the most notable early refutations of the Protocols as a forgery were a series of articles printed in The Times of London in 1921. This series revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier political satire that did not have an anti-Semitic theme. Since 1903, when the Protocols appeared in print, its earliest publishers have offered vague and often contradictory testimony detailing how they obtained their copy of the rumored original manuscript.[44]

The text was popularized by those opposed to Russian revolutionary movement and was disseminated further after the revolution of 1905, becoming known worldwide after the 1917 October Revolution. It was widely circulated in the West in 1920 and thereafter. The Great Depression and the rise of Nazism were important developments in the history of the Protocols, and the hoax continued to be published and circulated despite its debunking, becoming "a lie that would not die." Continued usage of the Protocols as an anti-Semitic propaganda tool substantially diminished with the defeat of the Nazis in World War II. It is still frequently quoted and reprinted, and is sometimes used as evidence of an alleged Jewish cabal, especially in the Middle East.[45]

Of course im citing wikipedia which is written owned and controlled by the Jews/One world government so you cant actually believe any of it now can you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_conspiracy#Jewish_world_domination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government

 

[Xarog]

Of course im citing wikipedia which is written owned and controlled by the Jews/One world government so you cant actually believe any of it now can you?

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2506694&postcount=87

I do not recall the minister claiming there was a conspiracy. I do not recall the minister claiming that all Jews are in on it.

I will at this point state the obvious in saying that there is a massive difference between Jews and Zionists, even if most Zionists are Jews.

Call it whatever you want, but there are pro-Israeli groups within America who have too much influence on American politics.

What I find offensive is the idea that no one is allowed to point this out simply because other people may or may not be offended by it. If the truth is offensive, then something should be done about the truth, not the person stating it.

 

[NameOfBeast]

Hajaig apologies for "hurt" remarks may have caused

The ultimate non-apology:

At a singular point in my talk, and entirely unrelated to any South African community, I conflated Zionist pressure with Jewish influence. I regret the inference made by some, that I am anti-Jewish. I do not believe that the cause of the Palestinians is served by anti-Jewish racism.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=116452&sn=Detail

 

[Xarog]

There's a reasonable case to be made for stating that Zionists have undue influence within the USA.

Edit : She then went on to say :

As a member of the South African Government and a committed member of the ANC I subscribe to the values and principles of non-racialism, and condemn without equivocation, all forms of racism, including anti-Semitism in all its manifestations and wherever it may occur.

To the extent that my statement may have caused hurt and pain, I offer an unequivocal apology for the pain it may have caused to the people of our country, and the Jewish community in particular.

Seems like a geniune apology to me.

 

[siphox]

Oh, so holywood is the barometer for knowing exactly what is happening in the US

Anyway, I'll bite.....

So what if Jewish people run some big business and media corporations in America - is that a bad thing? The Jews have shown that a people who suffered masive indignity and huge persecution over centuries can overcome all odds and succeed. Perhaps instead of rallying masses with overtly anti-semitic messages the ANC politician and supporters in question can learn from this? Or is that simply too much to ask?

Powerful organizations, whether run by Jews or not, do control governments.Anyone who does not believe this is naive.If Jews own powerful US and multinational companies, they can be said to control the world.

 

[Alan]

Powerful organizations, whether run by Jews or not, do control governments.Anyone who does not believe this is naive.If Jews own powerful US and multinational companies, they can be said to control the world.

No not naive. Just lacking tinfoil hats to protect them from evil world controlling juice and their MOSSAD mind control devices

 

[NameOfBeast]

Hajaig apology not good enough - SAJBD

The bulk of the statement in fact focused on the Middle East situation and Ms. Hajiag's viewpoints in this regard.

It can only be concluded that Ms. Hajaig stands by her previous statement that the United States and most other Western countries are controlled by Jewish money power. As such, her latest statement does not constitute an acceptable apology but in fact serves to compounds the original insult to the Jewish world, the people of South Africa and the United States government.

The SAJBD urges the South African government to unequivocally distance itself from the false, inflammatory and racially offensive allegations made by Deputy Minister Hajaig.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=116454&sn=Detail