The ANC is in total crisis.

[Gyre]

Can this thread be like the All Lives Matter movement and we just merge all the threads into one?

POLITICS is in total crisis.

 

[Phylax]

I'm quite new to South Africa. Does anyone have a list of ANC success stories? I've looked and not found anything credible. Perhaps I need a different search engine.

Apparently "The Struggle" is one of their success stories....

 

[ToxicBunny]

Agree with you, except maybe the townships looking more like proper suburbs - I think that might be mainly limited to Gauteng (as in the whole township being transformed).

My point of reference would be DBN townships like Umlazi/KwaMashu...

Yes there are vast swathes of them that are still townships, but also there has been some significant upliftment in the areas and big parts of them look like normal suburbs now, albeit low-cost/lower socio economic suburbs, but suburbs none the less.

 

[dj2381]

Hi all, this is similar to the thread dedicated to the DA being in total crisis (which is used as a platform for people to vent about the party). I only thought it fair to make one for the ANC, where forumers can vent about how the ANC is in total crisis.

To kick off the conversation about the ANC being in total crisis, here's the ANC's electoral performance to date:

Municipal elections:
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General + municipal elections:

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The ANC for the first-time ever has dipped below 50% in an election. What does this mean for Ramaphosa and his faction? Will we see the resurgence of the RET faction? Stayed tuned for further updates about the ANC in total crisis.

Interesting to note the biggest turnout was in 2016 but there was still a pretty decent loss for them.

 

[surface]

As I mentioned in the DA thread: although there are indeed multiple threads about the failings of government on specific issues, hence also attacking the ANC on specific issues, I failed to find a recent thread generally dedicated to attacking the party, such as the one for the DA. So I made one to balance things out

Great. I did start one thread on different topic but it was promptly shut down because it was violation of NCA rules as it didn't have news link etc. However, I suspect you could be one of the lucky ones.

 

[CTSA]

Guys, guys, I think you're missing the point of this thread. We're not here to really talk about the ANC's past governance, but mainly that the ANC is presently in total crisis, what we think should happen and what we think will happen.

I see that heat is unfortunately already turning up on Ramaphosa. In my opinion, the resurgence of the RET faction will be the death-knell of the ANC as a ruling party. Unless the RET faction goes totally berserk if they gain control of the party again and rigs everything so they stay in power (not 100% far-fetched).

2021 LOCAL ELECTIONS ANALYSIS: RET knives out for Ramaphosa: Zuma faction mobilises to blame party president for poor ANC showing

Losing control of eThekwini in KwaZulu-Natal and a national drop in voter support are body blows to the ANC, which has admitted that internal squabbling did not help its campaign. However, divided camps within the party have already started a blame game, with the party’s performance under its...

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[Vrotappel]

Here in Ekurhuleni we are stuffed with the ANC for the next 5 years. Power was supposed to come back on at 2:30. Still off.

 

[Vrotappel]

Great. I did start one thread on different topic but it was promptly shut down because it was violation of NCA rules as it didn't have news link etc. However, I suspect you could be one of the lucky ones.

You will try your best to report it though. Won't you?

 

[CTSA]

Great. I did start one thread on different topic but it was promptly shut down because it was violation of NCA rules as it didn't have news link etc. However, I suspect you could be one of the lucky ones.

Just added a news link to my initial post. Also have tables about the electoral performance of the ANC, as the initial post of the DA thread had. Don't see why this thread would be shut down, and not the DA thread. That would a very much hypocritical approach.

 

[dj2381]

You will try your best to report it though. Won't you?

There is another.....

 

[JuliusSeizure]

You will try your best to report it though. Won't you?

How did your attempts to have the DA thread locked go? You did admit that you wanted that to happen. Nobody's going to report this thread lol.

Don't see why this thread would be shut down

It's on topic, it should not be shut down, they clearly are in crisis.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

done

 

[JuliusSeizure]

I see that heat is unfortunately already turning up on Ramaphosa. In my opinion, the resurgence of the RET faction will be the death-knell of the ANC as a ruling party.

It's a difficult one. If the RET faction comes back, they potentially can gain ground in KZN especially if its from the Zuma camp but then they risk losing the other provinces.

 

[surface]

Just added a news link to my initial post. Also have tables about the electoral performance of the ANC, as the initial post of the DA thread had. Don't see why this thread would be shut down, and not the DA thread. That would a very much hypocritical approach.

No worries, this thread will not be shut down. Try starting thread about "Normal murders" and see where it gets you.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Guys, guys, I think you're missing the point of this thread. We're not here to really talk about the ANC's past governance, but mainly that the ANC is presently in total crisis, what we think should happen and what we think will happen.

I see that heat is unfortunately already turning up on Ramaphosa. In my opinion, the resurgence of the RET faction will be the death-knell of the ANC as a ruling party. Unless the RET faction goes totally berserk if they gain control of the party again and rigs everything so they stay in power (not 100% far-fetched).

2021 LOCAL ELECTIONS ANALYSIS: RET knives out for Ramaphosa: Zuma faction mobilises to blame party president for poor ANC showing

Losing control of eThekwini in KwaZulu-Natal and a national drop in voter support are body blows to the ANC, which has admitted that internal squabbling did not help its campaign. However, divided camps within the party have already started a blame game, with the party’s performance under its...

www.dailymaverick.co.za

The problem is the ANC's current crisis is precipitated by their past governance (or lack thereof).

Also, the past does inform how the ANC will possibly respond to this new crisis, and by past experience they will largely blame all and sundry but themselves and do sweet fsck all to change what needs to be changed in the right way.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Can this thread be like the All Lives Matter movement and we just merge all the threads into one?

POLITICS is in total crisis.

No. I'm syatmming one (new) soon:

The MyBroederbond is in total crisis.

 

[surface]

You will try your best to report it though. Won't you?

Of course not. I suspect you have connections and you can verify if I report or not.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Of course not. I suspect you have connections and you can verify if I report or not.

/reported

 

[ToxicBunny]

It's a difficult one. If the RET faction comes back, they potentially can gain ground in KZN especially if its from the Zuma camp but then they risk losing the other provinces.

Honestly I don't think its a difficult one.

RET is not even a surefire bet to gain much ground in KZN... The voting patterns in KZN have largely followed "tribal" lines and the lack of a Zulu leadership in the ANC would be an issue for the ANC in KZN. RET or no-RET.

The resurgence of the RET faction in the ANC as a whole would hasten the organisations downfall though, the difficult question is whether the country could survive the duration or not.

 

[surface]

/reported