The ANC is in total crisis.

[blah99]

I demand this thread be closed right away, there is absolutely no need for it.

Someone touched you on your ANC studio?

 

[TheChamp]

Someone touched you on your ANC studio?

Yeah, too many larnies who don't understand anything about the Liberation struggle, I am going to start an MK thread and none of you lot would be allowed in there.

 

[PrimeSteak]

The point is that one minute we are hearing how most former NP voters are dead

That's correct. The rest probably started voting around De Klerk's time/Botha's decline (late 70's - late 80's).

the next we are hearing about guys who served in the SADF and who proclaim themselves to be more qualified to talk about Apartheid than us as they lived through it.

They do have a point since they actually lived through it?

The key is to combine both sides both from the "SADFs" themselves and what we know now about the system. To form one single coherent viewpoint on the system. You cannot have a view with either side missing. Otherwise, you're dishonest.

 

[PrimeSteak]

You do know there were other parties around including Conservative and HNP, by your reasoning surely SADF members, been conservative would have voted for one of them.

Don't forget about the DP later on.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

That's correct. The rest probably started voting around De Klerk's time/Botha's decline.

They do have a point since they actually lived through it?

The key is to combine both sides both from the "SADFs" themselves and what we know now about the system. To form one single coherent viewpoint on the system. You cannot have a view with either side missing. Otherwise, you're dishonest.

I don't disagree with what you are saying, my point is that nobody admits to supporting conservative parties. We've only seen people say they supported Suzmann and suddenly everyone supported Suzmann when her presence was very small.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Nah, I am just joking, the DA thread must be close to its natural death by now, Herr Vrot can just dump a series of tweets and images in there and it should be at its limit. It will be like good old times again, I promise not to start DA in Crisis 2.

Yes. The SA Politics Thread should suit all our SA political needs.

 

[sefeddt]

So far, we've only seen people say that they voted for Suzmann during Apartheid who actually had a very small following. The point is that nobody admits to supporting conservative parties be it the NP, KP etc.

Just unusual that you would include the SADF in the same sentence.

Politics is funny the FF+ as they are today would have been viewed by some then as "traitors"

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Just unusual that you would include the SADF in the same sentence.

Politics is funny the FF+ as they are today would have been viewed by some then as "traitors"

Yes, my point with mentioning the SADF is that if guys were around then, they are bound to have been around at the time of those parties. Many of them have very conservative views so I'd find it hard to believe they all supported Suzmann.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Politics is funny the FF+ as they are today would have been viewed by some then as "traitors"

Damn.

But from what I've heard from my mom about the "verkramptes" (KP, HNP), it sounds like they were pretty ****ing extreme back then.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Yes, my point with mentioning the SADF is that if guys were around then, they are bound to have been around at the time of those parties. Many of them have very conservative views so I'd find it hard to believe they all supported Suzmann.

It's possible to agree with someone even if your ideologies don't like up 1:1 btw, it's completely possible that they agreed with her generally but not on certain other things.

 

[sefeddt]

Don't forget about the DP later on.

DP was never around then it only came later 1989, Helen Suzman was lone voice for National elections first as Progressive Party, then Progressive Federal Party.

 

[PrimeSteak]

DP was never around then it only came later 1989, Helen Suzman was lone voice for National elections first as Progressive Party, then Progressive Federal Party.

That's why I said "later on"...

 

[ForceFate]

Both this and DA crisis, honestly.

If you think this is a circus, wait until you see the American politics threads.

 

[ForceFate]

I for one have never voted NP. Ever.

We know. Too leftist for your liking.

 

[PrimeSteak]

wait until you see the American politics threads.

American politics is always a circus. On MyBB, Twitter, etc. Hence why I avoid it like the plague, it's just stupidity^1000.

American politics is the epitome of "us vs them" mentality politics. No acquiescing or agreeing with someone you usually don't, it's either "you agree with me 1:1" or "you're my sworn enemy".

Republican or Democrat, woke or conservative, they act the same way, yet complain about how the other acts towards them. The bitches really need a true multi-party democracy.

P.S Sorry for the tangent.

 

[sefeddt]

That's why I said "later on"...

OK but as an option the DP never appeared on the ballot list prior to 94.

 

[sefeddt]

Yes, my point with mentioning the SADF is that if guys were around then, they are bound to have been around at the time of those parties. Many of them have very conservative views so I'd find it hard to believe they all supported Suzmann.

So that's an assumption then.

 

[ForceFate]

American politics is always a circus. On MyBB, Twitter, etc. Hence why I avoid it like the plague, it's just stupidity^1000.

American politics is the epitome of "us vs them" mentality politics. No acquiescing or agreeing with someone you usually don't, it's either "you agree with me 1:1" or "you're my sworn enemy".

Republican or Democrat, woke or conservative, they act the same way, yet complain about how the other acts towards them. The bitches really need a true multi-party democracy.

P.S Sorry for the tangent.

It's entertaining. I jumped into the deep end 2 years ago, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Learned quite a bit in the process.

Like in ZA, with the buffoons gone, it's no so entertaining anymore. Reality sucks.

 

[PrimeSteak]

It's entertaining.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Howdy]

Ok, sure.

Just cause they served in the SADF, doesn't automatically make them NP voters? According to that logic, current SANDF members all vote for the ANC?

I'm not saying that Nothing Box spins a lot, but if he was a silkworm, everybody would have had multiple sets of silk clothes by now.