The ANC is in total crisis.

[Gyre]

Lol...Comrade Champ and his wittiness...

That he has a lot of, I agree

 

[TheChamp]

I think they will regain ground in some provinces but the metros are forever going to be a challenge, there's no going back to normal.

I don't think they will perform this bad in the national election. This is a chance for the voters to sit back and enjoy the value of their vote because I think there is going to be a big scramble in service delivery with everyone trying to impress the voter.

 

[CTSA]

This is a chance for the voters to sit back and enjoy the value of their vote because I think there is going to be a bug scramble in service delivery with everyone trying to impress the voter.

I like your optimism...

 

[JuliusSeizure]

I like your optimism...

Historically, there is higher turnout in Presidential Elections and they tend to do better there. It will probably not be as bad for them in 2024 but they will perform lower than 2019.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I like your optimism...

There is some merit in his optimism though.

The ANC traditionally do better at the National election level than at the Local level... But even that trend is downward, so unless they can seriously change course in the next 3 years and impress the voters with improved service delivery and such, there is a good chance the trend will continue. The question will be to what level the decrease in support will look like.

 

[mojoman]

I think they will regain ground in some provinces but the metros are forever going to be a challenge, there's no going back to normal.

I don't think they will perform this bad in the national election. This is a chance for the voters to sit back and enjoy the value of their vote because I think there is going to be a bug scramble in service delivery with everyone trying to impress the voter.

Lol...more humour....

 

[TheChamp]

I like your optimism...

I hope I am right, everyone has had a taste for blood, even the smaller parties, I would be surprised if they all went back to sleep after scaring the ANC like this.

 

[BBSA]

Lol...Comrade Champ and his wittiness...

We are so lucky to have him here, hopefully uncle @rpm will give him a nice Christmas bonus.

 

[daveza]

Rotten apples can only get more rotten - the next government will be a coalition government.

 

[CTSA]

There is some merit in his optimism though.

The ANC traditionally do better at the National election level than at the Local level... But even that trend is downward, so unless they can seriously change course in the next 3 years and impress the voters with improved service delivery and such, there is a good chance the trend will continue. The question will be to what level the decrease in support will look like.

Historically, there is higher turnout in Presidential Elections and they tend to do better there. It will probably not be as bad for them in 2024 but they will perform lower than 2019.

Sorry, edited my post to avoid the confusion. I wasn't referring to his sentence re the election, but his following sentence:

This is a chance for the voters to sit back and enjoy the value of their vote because I think there is going to be a bug scramble in service delivery with everyone trying to impress the voter.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Sorry, edited my posted to avoid the confusion. I wasn't referring to his sentence re the election, but his following sentence:

Ahhh yeah, that part is optimistic and I would say largely misguided since the ANC has not actually shown any ability to "self-correct" yet.

I do think there will be a scramble to improve service delivery in some areas without a doubt from parties trying to jockey for long term survival, but anywhere the ANC is still heavily in the pound seats (not even necessarily in total control, but the major player in a coalition) is likely to see a continuation of the crap from the last 5 - 10 years.

 

[Vrotappel]

The ANC destroyed South Africa

Corrupt politicians care little for the fracturing nation

unherd.com

Ramaphosa’s election as party leader and President in December 2017, was widely hailed by modernist forces — and particularly big business — as a turning point: after all, they had paid heavily to fund his bid. Sadly, his promised New Dawn turned out to be in every sense a False Dawn.

During his term, employment has reached the highest levels ever; flight by the high-skilled racial minorities is now proportionately equal only to the great southern European migrations to America in the previous early century; capital flight and insolvencies are at historic highs and inward investment at equivalent lows. Not one of the damaging policies introduced by Zuma and his predecessors has been reversed.

Last month, the World Bank ranked South Africa’s once excellent ports at the bottom of the 351 ports surveyed and the Universal Postal Union conveyed the warming news that the South African postal service is now officially worse than Nigeria’s.

That form shows only excruciating anomalies: three of the most senior ministers implicated in “State Capture” during the Zuma years sat in judgment on the ethics of the party’s nominees for this year’s municipal election.

Twenty seven years into the ANC’s divisive misrule, the political movements have solidified as never before into their racial components. The ANC is now an entirely black party: the tiny residual support from the racial minorities evaporated when Ramaphosa failed to deliver.

The EFF is unashamedly black and exclusivist: a nativist and racist organisation of provocateurs canvassing for support among the poor while wearing Gucci jeans, literally. Its support sits at an estimated 10% in these elections: a 20% improvement since 2016.

And thus the contours of a new and informal cantonal South African state is emerging after 27 years of ANC misrule: self-sufficient and defensive pockets of privilege scattered in the interior and in a coastal arc from the Mozambican border on the Indian Ocean to the Namibian border on the Atlantic. All of this new South Africa is set in a sea of rural and urban poverty presided over by a ghostlike State managed by a collapsed and indifferent bureaucracy and a squabbling and corrupt political class. The old feel-good notions of a non-racial South Africa, Archbishop Tutu’s famous Rainbow Nation, were naïve and are now dead. Cold reality rules.

 

[Vrotappel]

I think they will regain ground in some provinces but the metros are forever going to be a challenge, there's no going back to normal.

I don't think they will perform this bad in the national election. This is a chance for the voters to sit back and enjoy the value of their vote because I think there is going to be a big scramble in service delivery with everyone trying to impress the voter.

I think you live in dreamland. The ANC will not improve on service delivery.

 

[Garson007]

All the ANC needs to do is wait.

The first time they win 45-50% in the national election, and everyone else gangs up on them to vote in a non-ANC President, the government would be so unstable it will be under threat of collapse every other week with constant rotations in cabinet.

The people will be voting in the ANC the following election at 75%.

 

[yebocan]

I think they will regain ground in some provinces but the metros are forever going to be a challenge, there's no going back to normal.

I don't think they will perform this bad in the national election. This is a chance for the voters to sit back and enjoy the value of their vote because I think there is going to be a big scramble in service delivery with everyone trying to impress the voter.

to be honest, do not think the ANC has enough people of capability to achieve this. One thing state capture has shown : the lack of integrity within the party....money does that.
The only thing that ZA can hope for ,the bloody nose that the electorate gave the ANC , it is a wake up call to the party....the days of just expecting to be reelected for just being the ruling party , is over.

Dip below 50% in a national election....and all other parties will make sure you out of government - hope that is incentive enough.

 

[daveza]

I think you live in dreamland. The ANC will not improve on service delivery.

Nothing the ANC does will improve, not service delivery, not forking out billions on medical negligence claims, not loadshedding, lack of accountabilty, wasteful expenditure, thousands on paid suspensions for years and years, schools without running water and flush toilets etc etc.

They've been doing it for 27 years, and it's just over 2 years to the next elections.

In short, the ANC is fsckd.

 

[Agent_Smith]

Nothing the ANC does will improve, not service delivery, not forking out billions on medical negligence claims, not loadshedding, lack of accountabilty, wasteful expenditure, thousands on paid suspensions for years and years, schools without running water and flush toilets etc etc.

They've been doing it for 27 years, and it's just over 2 years to the next elections.

In short, the ANC is fsckd.

But ... but.... renaming streets and towns?! I mean... c'mon!!

 

[daveza]

But ... but.... renaming streets and towns?! I mean... c'mon!!

Well they also gave us these, so maybe there's a chance....

 

[JuliusSeizure]

They've been doing it for 27 years, and it's just over 2 years to the next elections.

The rand was doing well under Mbeki but the freefall started from 2008.

 

[AstroTurf]

Just came here to laugh, BTW I'm an ff+ supporter now cause they are literally the only party that has stuck to its guns since the 2000's

Used to be da, tried a gang and even some random cows. So yea. My mom still votes anc though for some unfathomable reason.