The ANC is in total crisis.

[daveza]

Worth reading -

JUDITH FEBRUARY: Ramaphosa’s bid to keep ANC intact is teetering on the brink

Cyril Ramaphosa’s ‘unity uber alles’ motivation has been snubbed by an electorate tired of impunity, tired of a lack of services, tired of talk and tired of corruption, writes Judith February.

ewn.co.za

In an ideal world, the ANC would be chastened by these election results and would approach coalition talks with that in mind. It was unfortunate that deputy secretary-general, Jessie Duarte, instead chastised the media for its ‘narrative’ of seeing the ANC as a ‘minority party’. That seemed a little tone deaf given the electoral drubbing the ANC has faced, specifically in its traditional strong holds. The next national election is in 2024 and its prospects of losing power are now very real.

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The tragedy of our country is that it is replete with people who have the knowledge and commitment to make our towns, cities and society work. The problem is that they are mostly not to be found within the ANC and so we continue sabotaging ourselves with a series of own goals.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

It turns out the ANC's reign over South Africa might just end up being less than the nearly 50 years the National Party ran the country for.

 

[ShaunSA]

tl/dr

 

[R13...]

tl/dr

The DA is no longer in crisis despite the clobbering time they got at the elections. Didn't realise, but they lost 33 seats in Joburg.

 

[ShaunSA]

The DA is no longer in crisis despite the clobbering time they got at the elections. Didn't realise, but they lost 33 seats in Joburg.

I didn't even know the DA had 33 seats to lose in Jhb

 

[Howdy]

Eskom : Hold my Johnnie Blue

 

[Howdy]

Great. I did start one thread on different topic but it was promptly shut down because it was violation of NCA rules as it didn't have news link etc. However, I suspect you could be one of the lucky ones.

You need blue eyes to succeed.

 

[PrimeSteak]

EFF is not even worth a crisis

They're the physical embodiment of chaos, so they're in perpetual crisis lol

 

[JuliusSeizure]

It's like I tell anyone given responsibility; your attitude determines your latitude and you have a real chance to shine and make a difference. But as we all know, power corrupts and should only be given to those who have nothing to gain and everything to lose. The ANC had everything to gain and nothing to lose. And here we find ourselves, sitting in the dark, the consequences of both.

With all the damage they've done, at least we can console ourselves by the fact that they probably won't be in charge for as long as the National Party was.

 

[CTSA]

It turns out the ANC's reign over South Africa might just end up being less than the nearly 50 years the National Party ran the country for.

I think we can (or should) all agree that neither reigns are comparable. The ANC reign was a lot better than the NP reign for very obvious reasons. I know many might disagree with me on certain aspects. The only areas I would concede some 'brownie points' to a limited extent to the NP governance is regarding infrastructure and skills development (which obviously not everyone benefited from - but did help with overall economic development and R&D/innovation). But the NP ruled for 50 years too long in my opinion.

On a side note, I do think this country would have been a lot more successful and developed if the ANC had at least kept its focus on proper skills development and education, and used the existing resources at the time in a more effective and efficient manner for this purpose. That's by far and large my biggest criticism of ANC governance.

 

[Thugscub]

Dude you live in a fairy world.
The ANC has f u c k e d SA up beyond anything else.
The dumb twats are to useless to even see what they have done and to bloody stupid to even use a brain cell to see the consequences of their goddam stupidity.
They are even too bloody stupid to be embarrassed.

 

[CTSA]

Dude you live in a fairy world.
The ANC has f u c k e d SA up beyond anything else.
The dumb twats are to useless to even see what they have done and to bloody stupid to even use a brain cell to see the consequences of their goddam stupidity.
They are even too bloody stupid to be embarrassed.

In a fairy world? Might it not be you if you actually believe that the NP rule was better? That's pretty messed up in itself... Because that's the whole point of my post (ANC v NP rule).

If I were to focus on ANC governance by itself, or comparing it to standards set in developed countries, yes, it's pretty certain that ANC governance has failed in many areas and is starting to drag our country down. Hence, why I don't the ANC.

 

[Thugscub]

I never said anything about NP rule.
Just the destruction of a country by a bunch of thieves and criminals.
How the idiotic masses are trying to manage a country is just not possible.

 

[Flashgear]

In a fairy world? Might it not be you if you actually believe that the NP rule was better? That's pretty messed up in itself... Because that's the whole point of my post (ANC v NP rule).

If I were to focus on ANC governance by itself, or comparing it to standards set in developed countries, yes, it's pretty certain that ANC governance has failed in many areas and is starting to drag our country down. Hence, why I don't the ANC.

“Starting” to drag down our country?!

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

“Starting” to drag down our country?!

27 years was just the start

 

[D tj]

Jesus on his way?

 

[CTSA]

Yes, starting from Zuma. Despite certain governance misgivings, the Mandela and Mbeki years were not entirely bad. Especially the Mbeki years that largely benefitted the middle and upper classes. Which is why so many South Africans returned to South Africa in 2009-2011 during the financial crisis. I honestly believe the World Cup in 2010 symbolically represents the peak of ANC governance, and since then it's been a rollercoaster-like drop. The Zuma years have completely (or almost completely) destroyed many accomplishments, and Ramaphosa is reaping the "rewards" of Zuma's governance. Ramaphosa's current inability to deal with it and push through needed reforms, will mean that Zuma's legacy will be his as well. Hence, why the ANC is in total crisis.

 

[Oldfut]

Dude you live in a fairy world.
The ANC has f u c k e d SA up beyond anything else.
The dumb twats are to useless to even see what they have done and to bloody stupid to even use a brain cell to see the consequences of their goddam stupidity.
They are even too bloody stupid to be embarrassed.

Not quite; the ANC elites are doing very nicely thanks to the SA taxpayer and are definitely not in any sort of crisis; things are just going swimmingly. The fact that SA, like much of the 3rd world and its "leaders", has been screwed up by ANC "leadership" does not worry them in the slightest. These ANC apparatchiks (and their fellow tenderpreneurs etc) are not stupid; they work quite hard, just not at their supposed jobs; they work at fleecing the taxpayer and enriching themselves. Ask Cyril; insert CR's guffawing face.

 

[Howdy]

Yes, starting from Zuma. Despite certain governance misgivings, the Mandela and Mbeki years were not entirely bad. Especially the Mbeki years that largely benefitted the middle and upper classes. Which is why so many South Africans returned to South Africa in 2009-2011 during the financial crisis. I honestly believe the World Cup in 2010 symbolically represents the peak of ANC governance, and since then it's been a rollercoaster-like drop. The Zuma years have completely (or almost completely) destroyed many accomplishments, and Ramaphosa is reaping the "rewards" of Zuma's governance. Ramaphosa's current inability to deal with it and push through needed reforms, will mean that Zuma's legacy will be his as well. Hence, why the ANC is in total crisis.

I disagree. The seeds of destruction were sown long before that.

Look at out electricity crisis. In 2000 the ANC new they had to expand, did noting, rather used the money for other things. We also see people that were warning about other pending disasters like Anthony Turton; what happened to him? Yet here we are many years later.

 

[CTSA]

I disagree. The seeds of destruction were sown long before that.

Look at out electricity crisis. In 2000 the ANC new they had to expand, did noting, rather used the money for other things. We also see people that were warning about other pending disasters like Anthony Turton; what happened to him? Yet here we are many years later.

That's a specific case that goes back to my previous post, where my biggest complaint of the ANC is the lack of focus on skills development and education that is now leading to deep structural issues. By far the biggest failure that transcends all terms of ANC governance.

Zuma years led to even worse issues in terms of fractured economy policies, weakening justice, poor infrastructural development, etc, which result in more immediate consequences and a sharper drop for society.