The ANC struggling to pay salaries

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One last point from me for now, re the army thread - there's every type of person in that thread just as we were in the days of our service, and yet we manage to all get on. Left, right, gay, straight, all sorts of cultures, all managing together even if there's disagreement.

Until some of these newer leftists come and try cause issues.

Back on the subject - anc, up yours.
 
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Brian_G said:
One last point from me for now, re the army thread - there's every type of person in that thread just as we were in the days of our service, and yet we manage to all get on. Left, right, gay, straight, all sorts of cultures, all managing together even if there's disagreement.
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Correct. Those are all represented on that thread. And some might be Black, Coloured, Indian, Christian, Muslim, Animist, Atheist or Hindu too. Just like we were in the SADF and all got on with each other. I think that's why that thread is so hated by leftists. They have a single ideology view of the SADF not understanding the SADF had no ideology at all. It appears as if they believe the SADF was an extension of the National Party, which it wasn't.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
The EFF made that allegation:

The party's spokesperson Mbuyiseni Ndlozi made the same allegation that the governing party is raising money through CIT heists for next year's elections. Now it makes sense why there are more than...

citizen.co.za

ANC behind CIT heists. They're thieving for 2019 elections – Shivambu | The Citizen

Shivambu says it is questionable that arrests linked to CIT heists are made by the Johannesburg Metro Police and the SAPS.
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At the risk of going OT, the EFF is not the only one with insight into the ANC's involvement in CIT heists, and many other atrocities performed by their so-called 'former combatants'.

This 2007 CSVR paper the explores FORMER COMBATANTS’ INVOLVEMENT IN CRIME AND CRIME PREVENTION

Then there is Wellington Bibi Cenenda, believed to be involved since 1993.
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One of SA's most wanted CIT kingpins arrested

The suspect is believed to be involved in a string of run-ins with the law dating back to 1993.
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Errol Velile Present, as indicated by you, was alleged to be involved in at least 3 heists:

Investigate ANC link to cash-in-transit heists and accepting VBS funds​

Interesting fact about Present was that he was arrested driving a BMW X5 an R5 rifle, an LM5 rifle, and a pistol (all with serial numbers filed off), ammunition, a hand radio, and an “undisclosed amount of cash”. There was also equipment suspected to have been used in heists and robberies. The vehicle belonged to Free State ANC Deputy Chairperson William Bulwana.

There is plenty more information on the topic, it's pretty much common knowledge, and the above list is by no means exhaustive, merely posted for the benefit of those who claim to be too lazy to find out for themselves.
 
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But back on topic: Are the ANC strugglers going to continue the struggle?

Without a struggle, the ANC are nothing. They have to have something to struggle about, and when there's nothing to struggle about or for, they have to keep inventing more.

Struggle is what defines the ANC and its members, it is in their genetic makeup.

They will forever be strugglers.
 
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You want to back up that claim about CIT heists and elections? There should be a lot of data related to the occurrence or heists.
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Complete rubbish.
Fact is, there is actually very little public information about CIT heists. Ever thought about why the press never reports on the amount stolen? The organisations suffering the losses (Banks, and guarding companies like SBV) don't ever disclose the info because it is feared that the insane amounts of money would encourage others. The only information that the public get is when a heist occurs in public and has a number of bystanders as witnesses. No-one, with the exception of industry insiders have knowledge and stats of the many CIT heists that occur on rural country roads and at the dead of night.
 
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Complete rubbish.
Fact is, there is actually very little public information about CIT heists. Ever thought about why the press never reports on the amount stolen? The organisations suffering the losses (Banks, and guarding companies like SBV) don't ever disclose the info because it is feared that the insane amounts of money would encourage others. The only information that the public get is when a heist occurs in public and has a number of bystanders as witnesses. No-one, with the exception of industry insiders have knowledge and stats of the many CIT heists that occur on rural country roads and at the dead of night.
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To be fair, this is also a problem. I've pointed out this exact tactic of gathering all types of stats earlier, except those stats that might actually be useful in addressing the issue. It also wasn't me that had the Eureka moment, it's a well known statistician tricks. Plenty of crappy useless numbers.

Considering the annual financial losses to cyber crime nowadays outstrips that of physical crime (as shown in countries that do measure), can anybody point me to our cyber crime stats? Ah - no problem.
 
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To be fair, this is also a problem. I've pointed out this exact tactic of gathering all types of stats earlier, except those stats that might actually be useful in addressing the issue. It also wasn't me that had the Eureka moment, it's a well known statistician tricks. Plenty of crappy useless numbers.
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I never said that it is good nor bad, just illustrating how the situation has been for the past 30 years. Agreed that stats could be mined for useful information, but this is the domain of organisations like Bankserv SABRIC, and if they are doing it, they are keeping the info well-guarded. The best intelligence at the moment comes from tip-offs.

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Considering the annual financial losses to cyber crime nowadays outstrips that of physical crime (as shown in countries that do measure), can anybody point me to our cyber crime stats? Ah - no problem.
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Easy, just ask our cyber security hub, courtesy of the dept of telecommunications and postal services https://www.cybersecurityhub.gov.za/

They are still struggling with delivering the post, but they may get to your request soon. /s
 
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RonSwanson said:
I never said that it is good nor bad, just illustrating how the situation has been for the past 30 years. Agreed that stats could be mined for useful information, but this is the domain of organisations like Bankserv, and if they are doing it, they are keeping the info well-guarded. The best intelligence at the moment comes from tip-offs.
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Agreed. What is missing are some crucial stats. Either the links don't exist, or deliberately not collected.

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Easy, just ask our cyber security hub, courtesy of the dept of telecommunications and postal services https://www.cybersecurityhub.gov.za/

They are still struggling with delivering the post, but they may get to your request soon. /s
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It's a lie meant to embarrass the great liberation movement, we all know the ANC owns SARS and they are exempt from paying taxes.
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Umm - we all know that the ANC used to control SARS, via the great Tom Monyane. Until Cyril got into power and started sorting shyte out. I do love your attempts at some sort of reverse psychology in so many posts.

But, as usual, you miss the point - the ANC pay's salaries, on which taxes will be levied, per the Income Tax act.

The article is saying the ANC does not have the money, to pay salaries.
 
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ok, I know I'm late to the party, but this:

"According to ANC insiders, the party had an R80 million tax bill when Paul Mashatile became treasurer-general in December 2017, while the party reportedly owed a further R140 million in provident-fund debt."

This means they took a guaranteed portion of a salary, and did not pay it over.
 
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Wait for when the Political Party Funding Act really start biting. If I where a cooperate I would be very careful who I sponsor because I'm going to upset someone. Might just be safest to not give money to political parties.
 
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GrootVoet said:
Wait for when the Political Party Funding Act really start biting. If I where a cooperate I would be very careful who I sponsor because I'm going to upset someone. Might just be safest to not give money to political parties.
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Donors usually just give everyone money, or at least more than one party, the political party funding act is not going to change much.
 
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